Vorkosigan

The funny thing, if you calmed down, you could make a great contribution here. The only one of us discussing the Jesus Myth much is Ted Hoffman.
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Toto
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...shows that only one is really about mythicism. If you think Mythicism is stupid -- I must point out, the criteria you propose "if no one said he was mythical for 1800 years, he must be real" is not one generally used by scholars though low-grade apologists seem fond of it -- then you needn't ever discuss it. You can go chew on Eusebius, or JBap, or Mark 8:19-21. We can always use more voices that are willing to refer to scholarship.

Vorkosigan

Vorkosigan

Those are great questions. Why don't you start with the last? You can open a new thread for it.

Steven Carr

So the Jesus who did that, did not exist any more than the George Washington who chopped down the cherry tree.

What is the difference between a mythical character and one whose life is described only by myths?

Steven Carr

So what? Do you not stand by what you quote?


Because you or your chosen mouthpiece, William Lane Craig, claimed it contained 'Gospel information'.

Metacrock

What makes you think I'm not calm? I'm just exctied becasue i'm so happy to hear from you. :wave:

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what is all that now?







Yea it is. All scholars use that. It's called "presumption." IN other words, there's reason to doubt it. Everyone uses that.

Metacrock

Hmmm, I just might do that! :thumbs:

Metacrock

It's not described in any myths. Those are not myths. They don't have any of the basic ear marks of mythology: those don't have their own mythos, they don't have sacred space/time, they don't have an enchanted world, they don't have a journey of the hero, ect ect. Moreover, they are understood to be historical. They have concrete names, dates, places. people and events which can be known to history.

moreover, they are all consistent from one telling to another. that's totally in the face of mythology as a whole. There are always mulitple versions of myths. There is one version of the Jesus stroy. But here I' m doing it again. I've made this argument so many times. It ought to stick.It' s never really been refutted with anything but knitt picks. Now Pete had some good ones, but I think he even admits it has potential. So there's no just no justification for saying that Jesus life is mythological or mythical.

There are even writtings of people who knew the prncipal players in the Gospels. If that is not first rate, it's certainly better than mythology.

Metacrock

So that means it has to embody everything in the Gospels? You need to rethink the way you think. The Gospel material that's in that passage has to do with being a resurrection in the first place, and with "on the 3d day." That's the specific point that Craig makes, and I that's a good point and relates to my 'no other versions argument." There are no versions where it's the fifth day, or the fourth day, or the 98th day. It's always "on the third day." Which means the facts of the case were known, could not be disputed where set in stone early.

But the point is that's the specific point that Craig was talking about as being in the Gospels.

Metacrock

btw i have several pages that would apply to the myther thing overall, and including a page 2 on the Jesus Puzzell.

http://www.geocities.com/meta_crock/...ical_Jesus.htm


another reason I don't like Doherty is his bad Greek and his refusal to see that his greek is bad. Now I don't claim to be an expert, but I think I've had more Greek than he. If not, my friend from Cambridge who is a Greek scholar is not impressed with D either. I refur to the translation of Romans 1:3 where it clearly says Jesus had a human ancesstry. I forget what he says about that, but he tries to fudge the meaning of the terms to make it sound like it's a figurative statment, when it clearly is not.

Ted Hoffman

Someone has to take the garbage out.
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