RED DAVE

From Magus55:Considering that we Jews didn't believe in a Trinity way back when, and those of us who are theistically inclined don't believe in one now, why would our sacred text refer to the Trinity from the git go? This assumes that you know our scripture better than we do, which is a pretty heavy act of hybris.

RED DAVE

Doctor X

It does not. Recall the bene elohim--the "sons of the gods."

One of them, YHWH, condemns regard of other deities over him.

Again, Magus should you ever actually bother to read the text you cite, you will find things so much easier in serious debate.

--J.D.

beanpie

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pre-Ad•am•ite

Pronunciation: (prE-ad'u-mIt"), [key]
—n.
1. a person supposed to have existed before Adam.
2. a person who believes that there were people in existence before Adam.

—adj.
1. Also,pre-A•dam•icPronunciation: (pre"u-dam'ik). [key]
2. existing before Adam.
3. of or pertaining to the pre-Adamite


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beanpie

We all know that the world is older than 6,000 years. According to the Bible, Adam was "made" just 6,000 years ago.

sharon45

Those christians that insist the world is only thousands of years old instead of billions, believe the "devil" made the earth and "artifacts" appear as though they were much older and or shouldn't belong within this amount of time period.

beanpie

According to the Bible, Adam was "made", 6,00 years ago.

Some people believe the story of Adam's making, is the story of the making of Caucasians.

Can anyone present proof, the Caucasian has existed on earth, longer than 6,000 years?

spin

As I think the account is very late and written by people who were monotheistic -- the cosmos was created by the single will of the Hebrew god referred to in the account as elohim. There is no room in this creation account for other gods as there is in the Enuma Elish. The account is so finely honed that I can see no possibility that the writer simply missed this "polytheistic" reference. I'd be inclined to read it as a "royal plural". It is the only time God uses the term.

The above is not to say that there are no traces of polytheism in the Hebrew bible. Just look at Ps 82:1.


spin

spin

Actually a closer reading of one of the 10 commandments might elucidate here:

Deut. 5:6-7

I am the Lord your God,... you shall have no other gods beside me.

Note that that is not that "there are no other gods beside me", but that "you will worship only me". Leave the other gods alone.


spin

beanpie

Has anyone stopped to think the "us" may be referring to those people who were already in existence?

Llyricist

It is my understanding that the term Elohim is itself a plural form.
No it is not, it crops up again in Genesis 11:7

5 The LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which mortals had built. 6And the LORD said, ‘Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7Come, let us go down, and confuse their language there, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.’