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Old 01-18-2010, 08:47 PM   #1
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Jesus Wars: How Four Patriarchs, Three Queens, and Two Emperors Decided What Christians Would Believe for the Next 1,500 years (or via: amazon.co.uk)

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Have you ever had a fist fight about the natures of Christ? If you have, you would fit right in among ancient Christians, says this church historian

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Your new book is called Jesus Wars. Why would you describe the debate over the natures of Christ as a war?

For several hundred years, especially in the 400s and following centuries, the whole world revolved around literal and figurative wars over who Jesus was. That basic question ultimately destroyed the Roman Empire and led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people during the fifth century.
Also by Philip Jenkins Hidden Gospels: How the Search for Jesus Lost Its Way (or via: amazon.co.uk)
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Have you ever had a fist fight about the natures of Christ? If you have, you would fit right in among ancient Christians, says this church historian

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Your new book is called Jesus Wars. Why would you describe the debate over the natures of Christ as a war?

For several hundred years, especially in the 400s and following centuries, the whole world revolved around literal and figurative wars over who Jesus was. That basic question ultimately destroyed the Roman Empire and led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people during the fifth century.
Also by Philip Jenkins Hidden Gospels: How the Search for Jesus Lost Its Way (or via: amazon.co.uk)
They do not have fist fights over that today but they use aircraft carriers and tanks. The mind of Christ (Is-ra-el) is a state of mind and not a piece of land.
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Have you ever had a fist fight about the natures of Christ? If you have, you would fit right in among ancient Christians, says this church historian

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Your new book is called Jesus Wars. Why would you describe the debate over the natures of Christ as a war?

For several hundred years, especially in the 400s and following centuries, the whole world revolved around literal and figurative wars over who Jesus was. That basic question ultimately destroyed the Roman Empire and led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people during the fifth century.
Also by Philip Jenkins Hidden Gospels: How the Search for Jesus Lost Its Way (or via: amazon.co.uk)
[Christian]AND WINNERS WERE OBVIOUSLY RIGHT! [/Christian]

I'll have to look up those books; they sound interesting.
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For several hundred years, especially in the 400s and following centuries, the whole world revolved around literal and figurative wars over who Jesus was. That basic question ultimately destroyed the Roman Empire and led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people during the fifth century.
Where does Philip Jenkins consider the epoch of the 4th century when the armies of bishops battled in the streets of Rome to determine who would become the supreme military bishop (ie: the POPE) of Rome?

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12. Damasus and Ursinus, being both immoderately eager to obtain the bishopric, formed parties and carried on the conflict with great asperity, the partisans of each carrying their violence to actual battle, in which men were wounded and killed. And as Juventius was unable to put an end to, or even to soften these disorders, he was at last by their violence compelled to withdraw to the suburbs.

13. Ultimately Damasus got the best of the strife by the strenuous efforts of his partisans. It is certain that on one day one hundred and thirty-seven dead bodies were found in the Basilica of Sicininus, which is a Christian church. And the populace who had been thus roused to a state of ferocity were with great difficulty restored to order.

14. I do not deny, when I consider the ostentation that reigns at Rome, that those who desire such rank and power may be justified in labouring with all possible exertion and vehemence to obtain their wishes; since after they have succeeded, they will be secure for the future, being enriched by offerings from matrons, riding in carriages, dressing splendidly, and feasting luxuriously, so that their entertainments surpass even royal banquets.
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Are you hungry for a rip-roaring tale of theological intrigue filled with conspiracies, Byzantine plots, murder, and mayhem? Or are you longing for a solid, informative, and accurate history of the development of Christian orthodoxy? If your answer is yes to both, Philip Jenkins's Jesus Wars: How Four Patriarchs, Three Queens, and Two Emperors Decided What Christians Would Believe for the Next 1,500 Years (HarperOne) is your book. The church historian's latest is a page-turner for anyone even remotely interested in the history of Christianity and/or the Roman Empire.
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Have you ever had a fist fight about the natures of Christ? If you have, you would fit right in among ancient Christians, says this church historian

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Your new book is called Jesus Wars. Why would you describe the debate over the natures of Christ as a war?

For several hundred years, especially in the 400s and following centuries, the whole world revolved around literal and figurative wars over who Jesus was. That basic question ultimately destroyed the Roman Empire and led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people during the fifth century.
Also by Philip Jenkins Hidden Gospels: How the Search for Jesus Lost Its Way (or via: amazon.co.uk)

Is the book based on REAL EVENTS?
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Is the book based on REAL EVENTS?
It starts off by citing Eusebius' Christian Origen (not the Neoplatonic Origen) discussing "The Gospel according to Thomas" and a "Gospel according to Matthias", and many others we have read ...."

That's why we know so much about the Gnostics.
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Yes. The following is from the first chapter of the book.
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Jesus once asked his disciples, "Who do people say that I am?" They answered that all sorts of stories were circulating-that he was a prophet, perhaps Elijah, or John the Baptist come back to earth. "But," he asked, "Who do you say that I am?. . .
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Yes. The following is from the first chapter of the book.
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Yes. The following is from the first chapter of the book.
Real Events =/ quotes from The Books.
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