Bender

I was told by a (born again?) xian that the bible does not "contradict science."

I thought that was laughably funny, but I suspect he is some sort of apologetic, considering he managed to interpret the global flood portrayed in genesis as a local flood.

Any examples as how the bible contradicts science would be most excellent.

FFT

The flood in Genesis "wiped out all living things but those on the Ark" or a similar statement.

There's Jesus looking upon the whole of the world from the top of a mountain.

Bender

I attempted to tell him that genesis clearly states that it was the entire earth, and showed him the passage.

" Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
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His response? For the record, let it be known that mount ararat is 16,945 feet tall. According to wikipedia.

braces_for_impact

God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (Genesis 1:14-19). And how could there be "the evening and the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them?

Then there's the issue of the firmament, which the ancients believed was an actual solid dome that god opened the windows in to let the water rain down onto earth. damn it, someone post that firmament picture! Here are some verses that refer to it:

Gen.1:6-8, 1:14-15, 1:17, 1:20
Ps.19:1, 150:1
Ezek.1:22-26, 10:1
Dan.12:3

There is of course, talking animals, dead people coming back to life, the sun stopping in the sky. All these definitely "contradict science" or at least the known laws of the universe.

spin

Well? Didn't it?

I've had temper tantrums. I know what it's like.

God straightened it out on the occasion, then bent it back.


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pharoah

The above clearly shows that the author had a geocentric view of the world. The earth is created first, then the rest of the universe is created three days later solely for the purpose of providing light for earth. You can also ask your friend to show you the four corners and the four winds of the earth.

spin

The interesting part about it is that light didn't need these sources. It existed on the first day, while they were created, as you say, three days later. Stars, planets and moons only populate the night and day sky, just as the sea and sky are populated with fish and birds.


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Occams_Razor

Men have one less rib than women. The sky is hard and strong like a mirror. The earth was created before the stars. Birds and whales were created before reptiles and insects. Disease is a direct result of punishment by God for sin. Disease is caused by demons. Plants were created before the sun was (photosynthesis?). The earth has four corners. God creates two lights, sun and moon both of which give off their own light (moon is only "lit" by reflecting sunlight). All animals were originally herbivores and all animals that have ever lived were created at one time. Bats are types of birds. Universe created in six days. A 450 foot ark was able to contain all the animals that have ever lived (ever). The sun revolves around the earth. The earth does not move. Hares and coneys are unclean because they "chew the cud" (but they're not ruminants). The earth rests on giant pillars. Natural disasters are manifestations of gods wrath. Unicorns exist(ed) as did(do) dragons and cockatrice and others. The earth is flat. Mustard seeds are the smallest of all seeds, and they grow on trees. The entire earth was covered in water for many days during the times of recorded history. Just a taste.

Tubby Lardmore

I have found, to my amusement, that many Christians (the lukewarm two-services-a-year ones as well as the on-fire-for-Christ ones) believe just that. But does the Bible actually come right out and say that, or do modern Believers come to that conclusion just because the Bible says post-Eve Adam had one less rib than he had before Eve?

Tubby Lardmore

There was a Catholic boy across the street back when I was a kid who insisted that the sky is blue because it reflects the ocean(s). We lived 500 miles from the coast, and despite my tender age I was already skeptical of such a claim. He also insisted that unoxygenated blood is blue (pointing to some bluish vessels in his arms as proof), and that the family dog went to Heaven when it died.