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Logic&Reason · 03-20-2006, 11:17 AM

doesn't sound like a loving God to me.

http://www.godrules.net/library/kjv/kjvexo31.htm

31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Buster Daily · 03-20-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Logic&Reason

doesn't sound like a loving God to me.

http://www.godrules.net/library/kjv/kjvexo31.htm

31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Back up and ask yourself why any god needs men to do his killing? This was a way of maintaining the rules of organized labor. If you crossed the picket line by working on Saturday you got your ass kicked.

Toto · 03-20-2006, 11:24 AM

OK, I'm not a Christian, but I used to be.

The God of the Exodus was not a loving god, at least at that stage in Hebrew thought. He was a war god, and the Israeli people had a covenant with him - they would obey the 613 rules that he gave them, and in return he would guarantee military victory. The first and most important of those rules was to keep the Sabbath.

Obviously, any Israelite who broke the Sabbath rule was breaking that covenant with God and putting the nation in peril, since the war god might not guarantee victory, and all Israelites might die or be sold into slavery or other fates worse than death.

That's the justification.

Chili · 03-20-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Logic&Reason

doesn't sound like a loving God to me.

http://www.godrules.net/library/kjv/kjvexo31.htm

31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

It is a violation against the celestial light and equal to the rape of Mary or sin against the HS in NT terms. The seventh day points at the celestial light which is the Light or Love of the world that must not be aroused before it's own time.

ziffel · 03-20-2006, 12:42 PM

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Obviously, any Israelite who broke the Sabbath rule was breaking that covenant with God and putting the nation in peril, since the war god might not guarantee victory, and all Israelites might die or be sold into slavery or other fates worse than death.

That's the justification.

That might be the truth, but I doubt it would be the Christian justification, as the OP was seeking.

The Christian justification goes like this:

"say, why does God order people killed who work on Saturday?"

"uhh..."

"I can wait"

"uhh... well, uh.. ok, ok, I know ... cause, like, things were different back in those times, different rules and stuff"

"oh"

"yeah, and besides, he's God and he can do whatever he wants!"

Spitfire · 03-20-2006, 12:45 PM

Do you guys have a new thread like this every week?

Chris Weimer · 03-20-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire

Do you guys have a new thread like this every week?

Or so.

WishboneDawn · 03-20-2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Logic&Reason

doesn't sound like a loving God to me.

http://www.godrules.net/library/kjv/kjvexo31.htm

31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

A writer who had a hard-on for making damn sure the Hebrews acted Hebrew...ish. There was always the threat of the people mixing in other religions, practices and Gods like Baal. Seems to me that a LOT of the OT concentrates on hammering into the people's heads that they have to remain true to YHWH.

Helpmabob · 03-21-2006, 03:58 AM

Hi Logis&reason -

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doesn't sound like a loving God to me.

God’s character has many aspects. Not all aspects will be displayed in every single verse of the Bible.

This is the christian justification, not that we can justify all that occurs around us in the world, or explain all that is written in the Bible, but that we have an invaluable gift from God:

For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. [Romans 8:29,30]

Logic&Reason · 03-21-2006, 01:17 PM

ps there is no god
discuss

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Logic&Reason Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 684	Exodus 31:15 can any xtian rly justify this? doesn't sound like a loving God to me. http://www.godrules.net/library/kjv/kjvexo31.htm 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	OK, I'm not a Christian, but I used to be. The God of the Exodus was not a loving god, at least at that stage in Hebrew thought. He was a war god, and the Israeli people had a covenant with him - they would obey the 613 rules that he gave them, and in return he would guarantee military victory. The first and most important of those rules was to keep the Sabbath. Obviously, any Israelite who broke the Sabbath rule was breaking that covenant with God and putting the nation in peril, since the war god might not guarantee victory, and all Israelites might die or be sold into slavery or other fates worse than death. That's the justification.

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