Johnny Skeptic

Yes, I frequently repost material because arnoldo refuses to directly reply to most of what I say, but that was not the case earlier in this thread when my arguments were not as good as they are now. Earlier in this thread, arnoldo was willing to directly reply to my arguments. Once my arguments got better, he became evasive.

It is impossible to have rational discussions with arnoldo because his current approach is to refuse to discuss many of my arguments. What more can I do except to directly reply to his arguments? I am doing my job, but he refuses to do his job.

spin

As usual you don't make a lot of sense. "The whole point about Israel is Yeshua." You think that that is communicative? Yeshua, by which I gather you mean Jesus, has nothing to do with Israel. Jesus is not the interest of Israel. Israel doesn't believe in Jesus.

A place called Israel exists. That doesn't help you one bit. What does this Israel have to do with the seed of Abraham?? What about all the other sons of Jacob who make up Israel? We are dealing with two different entities and the major thing in common is the name. That's what your prophecy fulfillment is based on. Some of the descendants of one of the tribes have returned. We've already said that that was politically motivated. And the territory certainly isn't from the Euphrates River.


spin

arnoldo

My understanding is that frequently in Jewish tradition salvation was viewed as done by doing "works'" which lead to a form of religious legalism. New believers in this new sect from Judaism which came to be known as "Christianity" began to place a greater emphasis on being saved by "grace." Some people used the excuse of "grace" to indulge in wordly behavior as well as neglect taking care of his neighbor. IIRC there is a comandment to "love your neighbor as yourself." Anyway James was trying to find a balance between these two extremes by stating faith without works is dead. A real christian would want to do good works anyway and feed the hungry, cloth the naked, visit the sick,etc,etc. Your questions seem to be more in reference to the character of God vs "Israel is proof of God's existence" but it's a good question nevertheless.

arnoldo

Abraham had a son names Issac, Issac then had a son called Jacob. The name "Israel" came once God changed Jacob's name to "Israel." Anyway Israel had 12 sons and these eventually formed the 12 tribes of Israel. The Nation of Israel is descended from these 12 tribes. There are many bible prophecies that indicated these tribes would be scattered to the nations and then begin returning to their homeland. Has this occurred or not?

spin

I guess you don't want to hide behind Gen 22:17. Which prophecy do you want to have been fulfilled??


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arnoldo

Abraham will fully inherit the land once he is resurected. Even the apostle Paul said if there is no resurection then the faith of all Christians is in vain. Paul died for his faith. Do you think he died because he knew it was a lie, was delusional, or he never existed at all?

spin

This translated seems to mean you have no fulfilled prophecy and you have been wasting everyone's time. Is that correct?


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arnoldo

If there is no resurection then it is all in vain. The other possibility is that the term "EVERLASTING" is simply a mistranslation.

spin

Umm, what has this got to do with fulfilled prophecies for the reconstruction of Israel? Where are your fulfilled prophecies for the reconstruction of Israel. Do you remember the topic of this thread? Please try to understand what the topic is and stick to it.


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Johnny Skeptic

Please stay on topic. You have broken your promise to stay on topic. Why is that?

No one knows how Paul died. If you want to debate that issue, please start a new thread.

Many people have died based upon false beliefs. Japanese Kamikaze pilots and Muslim terrorists are good examples.

At any rate, I will not discuss off-topic issues. This thread is about Israel. If you do not wish to discuss Israel, please go to some other thread.