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Old 10-05-2003, 11:22 PM   #11
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2But when the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was near, 3Jesus' brothers said to him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do. 4No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world." 5For even his own brothers did not believe in him.
6Therefore Jesus told them, "The right time for me has not yet come; for you any time is right. 7The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil. 8You go to the Feast. I am not yet[1] going up to this Feast, because for me the right time has not yet come." 9Having said this, he stayed in Galilee.
You didn't quite read all of it there, and therein lies the misunderstanding.

Jesus' brothers wanted him to go to Judea to impress the crowd. Jesus was not to go then but later. "I am not YET going up to this Feast" He did not say He wasn't going to the Feast.
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You didn't quite read all of it there, and therein lies the misunderstanding.

Jesus' brothers wanted him to go to Judea to impress the crowd. Jesus was not to go then but later. "I am not YET going up to this Feast" He did not say He wasn't going to the Feast.
But it also seems you didn't read all of my post. In the NIV, the NLT, the ESV, and various KJV's, I've found the footnote that the word "yet" was added by later translators, and that early manuscripts do not contain the word "yet". There appears to be confusion on whether or not the word is even there to begin with, or added at a later time.

Obviously, this would show some kind of problem, as why would some translators decide not to use the word to begin with. "I am NOT going to the feast" sounds more troublesome than "I am not YET going to the feast". At first, this never gave me a problem until I started following the footnotes.

So, any historians know anything about the manuscripts and the presence of this elusive qualifying word "yet"?
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And the "yet" clearly looks like an interpolation when you read on in the story and discover that Junior [tm Dr. X], then went to the Feast in secret. He wouldn't have said "yet" and then go in secret.

So those defenders waste their time addressing the "yet."

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Although, I can construe the passage as no lie, just a changing of the mind

His brothers (who didn't believe he was a deity) said "go and show your miracles."

Jesus said, "No, I'll get arrested."

Then, later, he changes his mind and decides to go in disguise.

[Though it's great to have a third-person omniscient narrator for these stories].
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So, any historians know anything about the manuscripts and the presence of this elusive qualifying word "yet"?
Don't need historians because they'll just confuse the issue.

The critical part here is the journey of the Magi during the eight day period (here called Feast of Booths), and it is not until they are past the midpoint of their journey that the New Reign has taken hold in the mind of Jesus. The not "yet" makes reference to this point but regardless if it was added later or not, the reason for Jesus to go could not be one of self gratification and that is why they went to Galilea where the New Reign of God could become his teacher.

Notice that Jesus did not enter the temple until past the mid-point of the festival and the temple here is his conscious mind.

In our calender year this is called New Year which is also midway between the Christ-mas and Epiphany.
 
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I should add here that the feast of Tabernacles is held in memory of the children of Israel who died there nonetheless (I just love that word), because there was nothing holy in their tents (read minds) . . . which is obvious from the scriptures they longed for and received from Moses instead of directly from God. So it can be said that they were 'temple traders' from day one and therefore wisdom never came their way and that is exactly why Jesus could not go until confirmation came his way.
 
 

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