stephan huller

With respect to the charge of blasphemy I have been reluctant to step in the middle of these 'mythicist' debates because I believe we become like Charlesmagne - so used to holding a sword we lose objectivity. There is no way that Jesus claiming to be the messiah is the cause of his execution. With that said there are a number of plausible scenarios for this decision that having nothing to do with him being considered god or man - i.e. "I am able to destroy the temple," calling Israelites to a new god (see the Marcionite gospel as witnessed in the Church Fathers) etc.

Indeed just claiming to be God or Son of God COULD have been the reason. I don't know. Yet I imagine that a simply thrashing would be reserved for crazy people.

stephan huller

aa5874

Your speculation resolves NOTHING and is really irrelevant. It is NOT what you want to happen that counts ONLY the story itself.

It is the story in gMark that is relevant.

In the gMark Myth Fable the Jesus character was found to have made a Blasphemous remark and was condemned to be guilty of death by the Sanhedrin.

There is NO statement that the gMark Jesus character did ever exist and there is NO credible reason to PRESUME the author gMark is writing an accurate or historical account.

It is appears that the author MADE SURE he wrote Blatant Fiction so that his readers would understand he was writing a story

This is the story in gMark and it did state Jesus was condemned to be guilty of death because of his Blasphemous answer.

See http://www.sinaiticus.com/
Mark 15

stephan huller

But aa, the blasphemy could have been the initial charge - i.e. 'I am able to destroy the temple.' It resurfaces later when the crowd taunts him.

tanya

Link to the evidence?

I doubt this claim.

On the other hand, Philo did praise Hercules, so maybe I am wrong.

Really?

This is a religion, Judaism, that MURDERS women, in cold blood, for engaging in sexual relations with someone other than the male who owns her.

Now some bloke comes along, claiming to be YHWH's son, and you think they would scold him and give him a good whipping?

These are people to this day, who will not eat pork, that's how incredibly stupid they are. Me, I don't eat it either, but not because the animal is "dirty", but because I like eggplant better. If someone gave me pork at a dinner, I would eat it, unhesitatingly. ditto for chicken or beef or fish, or whatever....This is a gutter religion. Not one that behaves rationally: oh, that dude is mentally unstable, we better give him a good hiding..."
Nope. Stoning to death. That's what would happen to him.

:huh:

Diogenes the Cynic

The figure is arguably celestial (though even this is debatable since Daniel is an apocalyptic piece which is, by definition allegorical), but to be clear in my language, I'm saying he is not seen as equivalent to God himself. He's something (at best) more akin to an angel.

Even then, it's only a poetic image in Daniel, not a literal one.

stephan huller

It's in Philo 'the kind God.' Look it up in the archives. I only spend the time to appeal my message to people who have a possibility of understanding it. If you can't access it in the archives just look it up at my blog - type 'the kind god' in Greek letters.

stephan huller

No one as far as I know ever claimed that Jesus was anything other than a created being until Athanasius and Nicaea especially at Alexandria.

thief of fire

Earl can you clear this up for me please. Are you saying Mark thought Jesus was God or not?

stephan huller

It is difficult to imagine that Mark was developing a narrative where Jesus was acknowledged to have (a) claimed he was the Son of God and (b) was not thought to have been crazy. The idea comes up in the gospel narrative. It's like a modern person claiming to be Napoleon. It is hard to imagine a justice system that would take the claim to be the Son of God so seriously that all the remarkable things described in the narrative would have taken place - i.e. the Romans helping arrest Jesus by stealth at night, a special session of the Sanhedrin, being put in front of Pilate - all for a mashugana. I find this difficult to believe. The more likely reason for his execution is that he was found to be competent on some level and the original charge was either blaspheming the temple, turning people away from Yahweh or both.