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Lazarus Long · 04-01-2008, 03:16 PM

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The Ottomans were not Arabs they were Turkish people these are Europeans not Arabs,

The prophecy did not say "by the Arabs", it is implied that it would be by "my community", ie, followers of Islam. Do you happen to know what religion the Ottoman empire was? Do you need a hint? How about that crescent moon on the Empire's flag?

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but I will study more on these Quranic prophecies.

To be precise, this particular prophecy was not in the Qu'ran, it is contained in one of the many Hadith about Muhammad.

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And another thing what does grammer have to do with Truth?

What is "grammer?" I said "grammar."

LL

scombrid · 04-01-2008, 03:50 PM

Shoehorning and confirmation bias are awesome.

ChairmanMeow · 04-01-2008, 03:56 PM

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Shoehorning and confirmation bias are awesome.

They are. So is shifting the goalposts.

GenesisNemesis · 04-01-2008, 03:57 PM

I have a question.

If prophecy is the greatest proof of God's existence, then what on Earth is the weakest, and how is it the weakest?

Self-Mutation · 04-01-2008, 04:08 PM

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I have a question.

If prophecy is the greatest proof of God's existence, then what on Earth is the weakest, and how is it the weakest?

"Making a cure for cancer? Not in my wildest dreams. Can't ever fathom that. However, I will make prophecies through Daniel so that people 3,000 years from now will have proof of my existence!"

Sounds ridiculous, right? However, this is what God must've been saying before he decided to recite to Daniel 3,000 years ago.

This is why I claim God doesn't involve Himself in the natural world.

funinspace · 04-01-2008, 04:10 PM

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And everyone is part of the same human race. Your super generalization does as much damage to your own argument, and makes it pretty meaningless.

Wow, that is quite the counter argument! Uh, care to say anything intelligent?

Why, you didn’t say anything beyond generalized blather…

So are you saying that the Ottomans did not inherit the Byzantine empire? Are you saying that the Byzantine empire wasnt once part of the Roman empire. Is not Russia also not European. Who controls Russia? Europeans.

Super genaralization? I dont think you even believe that obvious dumb arguement.

I guess you are running away from Yahweh’s eternal promise to Jacob’s descendants…oh wait, it was such a dumb question, you couldn’t even offer up counter evidence/arguments.

If you can make the absurd claim that the Ottoman and Russian empires are just outgrowths of other empires, then the Roman Empire was just an outgrowth (inheritance) of the Greek empire. For the Roman empire conquered the Greeks, just as the Ottomans conquered the Byzantine. Now you don’t have your 4 kingdoms again, by such convoluted logic. And then you don’t have any prophetic fulfillment. I don’t think you even believe that obvious dumb argument.

GenesisNemesis · 04-01-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Self-Mutation

"Making a cure for cancer? Not in my wildest dreams. Can't ever fathom that. However, I will make prophecies through Daniel so that people 3,000 years from now will have proof of my existence!"

Sounds ridiculous, right? However, this is what God must've been saying before he decided to recite to Daniel 3,000 years ago.

This is why I claim God doesn't involve Himself in the natural world.

If God doesn't involve himself in the natural world, where does he go? The world is entirely natural.

MrFungus420 · 04-01-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazarus Long

Muslims believe that Muhammad made many prophecies that were fulfilled.

Wow, no wonder why people believe in astrology, bible etc., you just make a general claim and it's up to the person reading it to fill it up with content...

No, Lazarus did more than just make a general claim.

He provided a link with examples of supposedly fulfilled prophecies of Mohammad.

In other words, he provided the content.

Jehanne · 04-01-2008, 04:59 PM

Personal insults need to end. Thread closure is the alternative.

MrFungus420 · 04-01-2008, 05:20 PM

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Um the Quran was written AFTER Muhammed, wheares the bible was written way before Jesus.

No, it wasn't.

It was compiled by the Council of Nicea about 3 centuries after the time in which Jesus was supposed to have lived.

The Council decided which of the hundreds of stories, books, gospels, etc. would be included in the Bible and which would be omitted.

So, it was at least 3 centuries after the fact that a group of men got together and made the Bible.

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And give me a specific world prophecy from the Quran. (the Quran is nothing more than a whats that word? plagarist??? book.)

Kind of like how the Bible is filled with plagarised stories from the more ancient mythologies?

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So sorry these prophecies of the Quran does not even began to hold a candle to those of the bible....and you very well know it.

They are equally vague, equally reliable.

The only reason that you give more credence to the Bible than the Quran is that the Bible is the one in which you believe.

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