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Clivedurdle · 05-18-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by show_no_mercy

Careful... morning star is "lucifer" in Latin.

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 14:12 (NIV)

How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!

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Originally Posted by Isiah 14:12 (KJV)

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

That is possibly one of the little things that led to the house of cards collapsing - both Jesus and Lucifer as the morning star. But to be expected before Herschell discovered other galaxies.

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Revelation 22:16 (New International Version)

16"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Bible gateway.

But Revelation is Jewish with Jesi inserted!

GenesisNemesis · 05-18-2009, 01:35 PM

I think Jesus is identified with the Sun because Sun is a homonym of Sun.

show_no_mercy · 05-18-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GenesisNemesis

I think Jesus is identified with the Sun because Sun is a homonym of Sun.

That doesn't work in Greek.

GenesisNemesis · 05-18-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by show_no_mercy

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Originally Posted by GenesisNemesis

I think Jesus is identified with the Sun because Sun is a homonym of Sun.

That doesn't work in Greek.

You're damn right it does!

Cesc · 05-19-2009, 04:16 AM

So long as Christianity has part Platonism in it, it makes sense that an aspect of Jesus is that he's a representation of the sun, even before the Gospels were written. The material manifestation/incarnation of God in this world, like the Platonic sun is the material manifestation of the Good in the natural world. St. Augustine spells this out blatantly, it's almost handed to him on a silver platter from the Gospels, imo.

Doug Shaver · 05-19-2009, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave31

It's a scientific study

OK. When somebody replicates the study, I may take a closer look.

Dave31 · 05-21-2009, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

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Originally Posted by Dave31

It's a scientific study

OK. When somebody replicates the study, I may take a closer look.

If you actually read the excerpt you would find other studies cited - here's the 2nd paragraph from the except which you clearly didn't read:

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"The exploration of Christ as a solar figure includes a study of ancient sun worship not only in the Pagan world but also in Israel, as exhibited by the solar nature of Jesus’s purported Father, the Israelite god Yahweh. Demonstrating the copious substantiation for Israelite sun worship, especially as concerns the main Jewish god, in Yahweh and the Sun: Biblical and Archaeological Evidence for Sun Worship in Ancient Israel, Rev. Dr. J. Glen Taylor, a theologian and professor of Old Testament and Biblical Proclamation at Wycliffe College, remarks:

"This book is a slightly revised version of my doctoral dissertation entitled 'Solar Worship in the Biblical World' which was submitted to the Graduate School of Yale University in the Spring of 1989. As may be judged from the title of that work, I had at one time planned to cover more territory than sun worship in ancient Israel, but found the material pertaining to ancient Israel so vast that I never got beyond it." (Taylor, 7)..."
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.co...unexcerpt.html

Back Again · 05-21-2009, 08:06 AM

I may be missing something but what does sun-worship by "pre-hebrews" or any other ancient religion have to do with Jesus? Muhammed? Joseph Smith?

Doug Shaver · 05-22-2009, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

OK. When somebody replicates the study, I may take a closer look.

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Originally Posted by Dave31

If you actually read the excerpt you would find other studies cited

When study #1 cites other studies #2, #3, etc., that is not a replication of study #1. A replication would be an independent examination of studies #2, #3, etc., that reached the same conclusion as study #1.

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05-18-2009, 01:35 PM	#12
GenesisNemesis Contributor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A pale blue oblate spheroid. Posts: 20,351	I think Jesus is identified with the Sun because Sun is a homonym of Sun.

05-19-2009, 04:16 AM	#15
Cesc Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 322	So long as Christianity has part Platonism in it, it makes sense that an aspect of Jesus is that he's a representation of the sun, even before the Gospels were written. The material manifestation/incarnation of God in this world, like the Platonic sun is the material manifestation of the Good in the natural world. St. Augustine spells this out blatantly, it's almost handed to him on a silver platter from the Gospels, imo.

05-21-2009, 08:06 AM	#18
Back Again Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Detroit Metro Posts: 705	I may be missing something but what does sun-worship by "pre-hebrews" or any other ancient religion have to do with Jesus? Muhammed? Joseph Smith?

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