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Dave31 · 05-17-2009, 08:51 AM

I thought many here might find this excerpt and e-book to be an interested read. Here's the excerpt from a new e-book titled,

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Jesus as the Sun throughout History

"From the earliest times of Christian history, Jesus Christ has been identified with the sun. This fact is readily demonstrated through the study of ancient texts, including the Bible and works of the early Church fathers, as well as Christian traditions, rituals, architecture and artifacts. From a wide variety of sources, it is clear that associating, identifying and equating Christ with the sun began in ancient times and has continued abundantly over the many centuries since then. Includes many primary sources and quotes from credentialed authorities."

Here's the excerpt
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.co...unexcerpt.html

Here's the e-book
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.co...sasthesun.html

The youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc4rr...eature=channel

Doug Shaver · 05-18-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave31

Here's the excerpt from a new e-book titled,

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Jesus as the Sun throughout History

"From the earliest times of Christian history, Jesus Christ has been identified with the sun. This fact is readily demonstrated through the study of ancient texts, including the Bible and works of the early Church fathers

It might be "readily demonstrated" to anyone predisposed to believe it. But I've read a whole bunch of those ancient texts -- the Bible in particular -- and I don't see it.

ashurbanipal · 05-18-2009, 07:57 AM

I'm not sure that the solar associations of Jesus are really in dispute. Jesus fit the mold of the "Dying God" perfectly, and the Dying Gods were modelled on the death and rebirth of the Sun. Whether Jesus also turns out to have other aspects is also not in dispute; he does.

Toto · 05-18-2009, 08:22 AM

I think that it is clear that lots of Christians have drawn comparisons between Jesus and the Sun. This still doesn't show that the Christian religion was originally a solar cult.

ashurbanipal · 05-18-2009, 08:31 AM

I think it's very difficult to know with much certainty what Christianity originally was. I think it's not an unreasonable guess to suppose that it probably involved aspects of a Solar cult. By the middle of the fourth century, however, the solar attributions were quite apparent.

Sign Related · 05-18-2009, 10:20 AM

Jesus with the sun? Only may mean one with the radiance (or: the brightness). As: He is a bright guy. There is more than one brightness. There is more than one kind (type) of sun. To me, I might be the sun to others. When one is very bright, why shouldnt such a person be the sun in another sort of reference?

Dave31 · 05-18-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

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Originally Posted by Dave31

Here's the excerpt from a new e-book titled,

It might be "readily demonstrated" to anyone predisposed to believe it. But I've read a whole bunch of those ancient texts -- the Bible in particular -- and I don't see it.

She's tracing the history of the perception of Christ as the sun and of Christianity as sun worship - thus, the title "Jesus as the Sun throughout History." It's a scientific study of testimony dating back to the early Church fathers and where the impression came from. If you actually read the excerpt you'll see them and if you read the e-book you'll see much more of the evidence she's talking about.

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The Bible

In the present analysis of Judeo-Christian astrotheological underpinnings, let us start therefore with the Old Testament, in which God is depicted as the creator of and power behind the sun, thus making the solar orb an expression of the Lord's divinity - a notion that was not lost on the Israelitish peoples.

In the book of Job, traditionally considered one of the oldest texts in the Bible, we find God reiterated as the power behind the sun, as at 9:7, which refers to him "who commands the sun, and it does not rise; who seals up the stars..." Job contains other astronomical, astrological or astrotheological knowledge, as in the discussion of the "Mazzaroth" or Zodiac at 38:22:

"Can you lead forth the Maz'zaroth in their season, or can you guide the Bear with its children?"

Strong's Concordance (H4216) defines mazzaroth or mazzarah as "the 12 signs of the Zodiac and their 36 associated constellations." The "Bear with its children" refers to the constellation of Arcturus or Ursa Major and the three stars in its tail. (McClintock, 381)
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.co...unexcerpt.html

Clivedurdle · 05-18-2009, 11:48 AM

http://www.wogim.org/sh24.htm

Word of God International Ministries - a heavy rapturist lot - agrees with Acharaya S's original thesis that Yahweh - not Jesus - is the sun.

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CHRIST - THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR

Texts : Rev. 22:16, Num :24:17, Matthew 2:2, Luke 1:78

The Morning Star in Greek "Phosphorous"
1. The morning star is very solid light. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. Heb. 13:8, " I am the Lord, and I change not". Mal. 3:6.
2. The bright and mooring (sic) star is the announcer of the rising of the sun.

and more confusion of lord's - I like that as the collective term!

show_no_mercy · 05-18-2009, 12:39 PM

Careful... morning star is "lucifer" in Latin.

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 14:12 (NIV)

How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!

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Originally Posted by Isiah 14:12 (KJV)

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Zucco · 05-18-2009, 12:44 PM

I thought Juliet was the sun.

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05-18-2009, 07:57 AM	#3
ashurbanipal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Midwest, USA Posts: 928	I'm not sure that the solar associations of Jesus are really in dispute. Jesus fit the mold of the "Dying God" perfectly, and the Dying Gods were modelled on the death and rebirth of the Sun. Whether Jesus also turns out to have other aspects is also not in dispute; he does.

05-18-2009, 08:22 AM	#4
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	I think that it is clear that lots of Christians have drawn comparisons between Jesus and the Sun. This still doesn't show that the Christian religion was originally a solar cult.

05-18-2009, 08:31 AM	#5
ashurbanipal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Midwest, USA Posts: 928	I think it's very difficult to know with much certainty what Christianity originally was. I think it's not an unreasonable guess to suppose that it probably involved aspects of a Solar cult. By the middle of the fourth century, however, the solar attributions were quite apparent.

05-18-2009, 10:20 AM	#6
Sign Related Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 780	Jesus with the sun? Only may mean one with the radiance (or: the brightness). As: He is a bright guy. There is more than one brightness. There is more than one kind (type) of sun. To me, I might be the sun to others. When one is very bright, why shouldnt such a person be the sun in another sort of reference?

05-18-2009, 12:44 PM	#10
Zucco Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Beautiful, crime-free Flower Mound, TX Posts: 156	I thought Juliet was the sun.

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