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Jack the Bodiless · 01-22-2008, 09:35 AM

Again: WE understand the Book of Daniel. YOU do not.

WE can explain it. YOU have to ignore all the parts that don't fit.

WE can explain the chronology. YOU cannot (the "weeks" don't add up).

Also, YOU cannot explain all the historical errors it contains.

Of course, you have similar problems with the Tyre prophecy. You have failed to explain away the errors.

And then there's the Egypt prophecy, which conclusively proves that Ezekiel was a false prophet.

...So you've lost. :wave:

Johnny Skeptic · 01-22-2008, 09:35 AM

Message to sugarhitman: Do you have any evidence that the Tyre prophecy was made before the events?

Why didn't God tell Ezekiel about Alexander?

If God wants people to believe that he can the future, why hasn't he made some indisputable prophecies such as predicting when and were some natural diasters would occur? By "when," I mean month, day, and year.

sugarhitman · 01-22-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack the Bodiless

Again: WE understand the Book of Daniel. YOU do not.

WE can explain it. YOU have to ignore all the parts that don't fit.

WE can explain the chronology. YOU cannot (the "weeks" don't add up).

Also, YOU cannot explain all the historical errors it contains.

Of course, you have similar problems with the Tyre prophecy. You have failed to explain away the errors.

And then there's the Egypt prophecy, which conclusively proves that Ezekiel was a false prophet.

...So you've lost. :wave:

You understand eh? So tell me Who is that Son of Man in Daniel coming with the clouds who is to rule the earth for all eternity? Who is that stone that breaks The statue of Nebby that grew into a great mountian and filled the whole earth? Tell me who is this? What does it mean? I'm itching to know this. :wave:

makerowner · 01-22-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarhitman

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Originally Posted by Jack the Bodiless

Again: WE understand the Book of Daniel. YOU do not.

WE can explain it. YOU have to ignore all the parts that don't fit.

WE can explain the chronology. YOU cannot (the "weeks" don't add up).

Also, YOU cannot explain all the historical errors it contains.

Of course, you have similar problems with the Tyre prophecy. You have failed to explain away the errors.

And then there's the Egypt prophecy, which conclusively proves that Ezekiel was a false prophet.

...So you've lost. :wave:

You understand eh? So tell me Who is that Son of Man in Daniel coming with the clouds who is to rule the earth for all eternity? Who is that stone that breaks The statue of Nebby that grew into a great mountian and filled the whole earth? Tell me who is this? What does it mean? I'm itching to know this. :wave:

It's "one like a son of man" BTW, and probably represents Michael. The stone may be Michael as well, but I'm no expert on the subject.

Minimalist · 01-22-2008, 09:47 AM

And Jeremiah didn't do so good on "Babylon" either!

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King James Bible

And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwelling place for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant.

You'd think that if 'god' wanted 'dragons' he would whip some up!

sugarhitman · 01-22-2008, 09:53 AM

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You understand eh? So tell me Who is that Son of Man in Daniel coming with the clouds who is to rule the earth for all eternity? Who is that stone that breaks The statue of Nebby that grew into a great mountian and filled the whole earth? Tell me who is this? What does it mean? I'm itching to know this. :wave:

It's "one like a son of man" BTW, and probably represents Michael. The stone may be Michael as well, but I'm no expert on the subject.

So Michael the Angel is the Jewish Messiah? Wow. Is Michael a descendant of David. Maybe it is Gabriel? As I said no idea whatsoever....whatsoever. :wave:

spin · 01-22-2008, 09:55 AM

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1. The problem is that every generation has said it was the last one. Obviously they were all incorrect.

2. You seem to think the book is sealed. Good. Then arnoldo can't make any claims for fulfillled prophecy or a mention of Alexander. :rolling:

The only part of Daniel sealed was the book dealing with the time of the end. Remember He was around when some of the events he foretold happen while he was alive (Babylon being conquered by Medo-Persia) He was not around to witness The rise of Greece and Rome. During the Roman Empire Jesus came with this interesting and revealing message "Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" Go back to Nebby's dream of the statue Rome was the 4th and final world empire the legs and toes are at the end of this image. Jesus was born in this era. Paul said this era was the last hour. The stone that is Christ that fell on the statues feet shows that He returns after Rome divides.....The time we are now in which has been since 476 A.d. All except the identity of this "abomination that causes desolation" in the book of Daniel has been revealed....The book is Unsealed my friend...Israel is back in it's land...Tyre is a place for fishing....Its only a matter of time.

By the way, silly jestors are known to be fools. :wave:

You still haven't answered the questions about Tyre I asked of you several times, but you are willing to talk about Daniel instead. As a messenger of the good word you're doing a lousy job, not able to stay on the topic. Please keep to Tyre and answer my questions.

Why were all the other Phoenician cities built on island, but you think Tyre, which was founded by Sidon, was not?
Why would the central city of Tyre be on the land if there was an island off the coast that they could inhabit and thus be safer from siege?
Why does Hiram king of Tyre say to Solomon, "do thou take care to procure us corn for this timber, which we stand in need of, because we inhabit in an island"? (Josephus, AJ 8.2.7. See also 8.6.3)
Why does Josephus tell us that Hiram "raised banks at the eastern parts of the city, and enlarged it; he also joined the temple of Jupiter Olympius, which stood before in an island by itself, to the city, by raising a causeway between them", Contra Apion 1.17, if Tyre was on the mainland?
Where were "Old Tyre"'s harbors?
Why did Shalmaneser V, Sennacherib and Ashurbanipal each besiege Tyre a few decades after the other, if they had each conquered the city and dominated it? Was it not because Tyre was an island and it came to an accord with each king from the safety of that island?
What did Nebuchadnezzar do against the inhabitants of the island for the 13 years?
Why does Ezekiel say, "King Nebuchadnezzar made his army labor hard against Tyre... yet neither he nor his army got anything from Tyre to pay for the labor he expended against it", 29:18?
Why does Ezekiel refer to the mainland possessions connected to Tyre as the "daughters on the land", if "Old Tyre" was on land?
Why does Ezekiel refer to Tyre as being in the midst of the sea, 27:32, if it was not an island?

Thanks.

spin

spin · 01-22-2008, 09:59 AM

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It's "one like a son of man" BTW, and probably represents Michael. The stone may be Michael as well, but I'm no expert on the subject.

So Michael the Angel is the Jewish Messiah? Wow. Is Michael a descendant of David. Maybe it is Gabriel? As I said no idea whatsoever....whatsoever. :wave:

Talk about Daniel elsewhere. You started this thread on Tyre and you cannot keep to it. Obviously you are having difficulties, so you happily talk about other things. Take up Daniel in a Daniel thread. You can be confused about the son of man there.

spin

makerowner · 01-22-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by makerowner

It's "one like a son of man" BTW, and probably represents Michael. The stone may be Michael as well, but I'm no expert on the subject.

So Michael the Angel is the Jewish Messiah? Wow. Is Michael a descendant of David. Maybe it is Gabriel? As I said no idea whatsoever....whatsoever. :wave:

There's nothing about a Messiah ben David in Daniel. The 'anointed ones' in Daniel don't refer to a Messiah, sorry.

Johnny Skeptic · 01-22-2008, 10:27 AM

Message to sugarhitman: It would be helpful if you would stop making usless, off-topic comments and get back to discussing the Tyre prophecy. Why do you hope to gain by being evasive?

Do you have any evidence that the Tyre prophecy was made before the events?

Why didn't God tell Ezekiel about Alexander?

If God wants people to believe that he can the future, why hasn't he made some indisputable prophecies such as predicting when and were some natural diasters would occur? By "when," I mean month, day, and year.

What do you have against answering questions that pertain to this thread?

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01-22-2008, 09:35 AM	#181
Jack the Bodiless Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 5,815	Again: WE understand the Book of Daniel. YOU do not. WE can explain it. YOU have to ignore all the parts that don't fit. WE can explain the chronology. YOU cannot (the "weeks" don't add up). Also, YOU cannot explain all the historical errors it contains. Of course, you have similar problems with the Tyre prophecy. You have failed to explain away the errors. And then there's the Egypt prophecy, which conclusively proves that Ezekiel was a false prophet. ...So you've lost. :wave:

01-22-2008, 09:35 AM	#182
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Message to sugarhitman: Do you have any evidence that the Tyre prophecy was made before the events? Why didn't God tell Ezekiel about Alexander? If God wants people to believe that he can the future, why hasn't he made some indisputable prophecies such as predicting when and were some natural diasters would occur? By "when," I mean month, day, and year.

01-22-2008, 10:27 AM	#190
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Message to sugarhitman: It would be helpful if you would stop making usless, off-topic comments and get back to discussing the Tyre prophecy. Why do you hope to gain by being evasive? Do you have any evidence that the Tyre prophecy was made before the events? Why didn't God tell Ezekiel about Alexander? If God wants people to believe that he can the future, why hasn't he made some indisputable prophecies such as predicting when and were some natural diasters would occur? By "when," I mean month, day, and year. What do you have against answering questions that pertain to this thread?

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