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Old 06-03-2005, 12:08 PM   #21
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You see, the thing is, my opinion is based right in between both CDJ and kciredor reprah.

I feel that her family is 100% essential to making our relationship work.

However, at the same time, I feel that my girlfriend should have the opporitunity to branch out and be her own person. She isn't herself around her family, and that bugs me.

I've just been trying to get her parents to understand that just because I don't have the same traditional feelings towards the Bible, and I often discuss that with my girlfriend, that I am not "tearing her away from her family". I am helping her understand while learning at the same time.

In my opinion, questioning the Bible is essential to understanding the true meaning behind it.
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Sorry, but the grandparents understand very well that questioning the Bible is the first step towards rejecting it, and living in close proximity with someone of complementary hormones is often a precursor of actually having sex with them.
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Old 06-03-2005, 12:26 PM   #23
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Sorry, but the grandparents understand very well that questioning the Bible is the first step towards rejecting it, and living in close proximity with someone of complementary hormones is often a precursor of actually having sex with them.
Yeah, they understand that by questioning the Bible, one would find the hypocrisy in the religion... thus losing faith that they have the one correct religion out of the 4,200 that currently exist in the world.

It just boggles my mind how traditional some people are...
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Even if you don't have any intentions of having sex, living in the same place with your girlfriend would be considered "an occasion of sin." Willfully entering an occasion of sin is itself a sin. Her parents are reacting properly according to Catholic teaching.
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Old 06-03-2005, 12:52 PM   #25
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An occasion of sin is any circumstance (person, place, thing) which leads one to sin.

By your description, Idisto, they shouldn't even let her read the Bible. By reading the Bible she has the opporitunity to question it. Questioning the Bible can lead to rejection of the Bible, thus leading to sin...

Hell, maybe they shouldn't let her talk... She would have the opporitunity to use the Lord's name in vain...

Anything can be considered an occasion of sin... :banghead:
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Anything can be considered an occasion of sin... :banghead:
True, but cohabitation is considered a near occasion of sin. Her parents are acting according to Church teaching by disapproving, even though you don't agree with the teaching.
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Old 06-03-2005, 01:35 PM   #27
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Ok, thanks for all your help Idisto.

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By your description, Idisto, they shouldn't even let her read the Bible. By reading the Bible she has the opporitunity to question it. Questioning the Bible can lead to rejection of the Bible, thus leading to sin...
Why do you think the Catholic Church was vehemently against translating the Latin text into the vernacular for so long
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My brother has gone through this. CJD is spot-on. They are a little more concerned with who is in their daughter's bed right now, and mainly because they want to believe that their daughter would not resort to contraception, which we all know leads to rampant fornication for the mere whim of the flesh

He would not move in until they were married. He converted. He goes to mass. He makes sure their kids get plenty of religious dogma from their grandparents. He views it all as a social concept only, and you know what, like CJD said, he isn't alone by a longshot. And they live with her folks (very succesful, huge house). And they don't bother him about it really, because he is a good guy, even if he is Anglo (they are Mexican-American). They are happy with him as a son-in-law.

Basically, a few inches on your end will result in a few yards on theirs, because they want the best for their daughter. And they don't want a bum. You may never stack up to their expectations, but with that many siblings, if you guys give it at least an honest attempt, you will not be the black sheep. They'll start to see the good in you over time.
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