Self-Mutation

Mark 2: 16-17

And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Jesus makes A LOT of sense here, almost too much sense. And he hit the nail right on the head.

When you are well, how many call a doctor? No one that I know. You only call the doctor when you are sick, do you not? Jesus knew this as well.

Likewise, Jesus was trying to help the nonbelieving sinners come to repentance.

But, the atheist has an even bigger problem when trying to explain away this verse as mere myth.

If the writer of this text was a Jew, he would've been KILLED by possibly being STONED TO DEATH or CRUCIFIED. Why would a Jew risk his life by making crazy fancy tales of Jesus eating with sinners? The Jews NEVER associated with sinners and viewed them as unclean.

The moment any word got around of Jews eating with sinners, the governor would've had them PUT TO DEATH for craziness and stupidity.

Unless of course....the story is true.....

Agnostic Alice

Jesus makes a lot of sense!
Why don't more of His followers listen to Him?

Baalazel

So forty or fifty or eighty years after the supposed events of the Gospels someone should have killed Mark (whoever he was) for writing that Jesus ate with the wrong people. I think you sometimes forget the time frame involved in the creation and selection of the books of the New Testament.

Baal

Self-Mutation

The "50, 60, 70, 80 years" thing is just a guess made by atheistic scholars who don't want the Gospels to be true.

There really is no evidence when they were written. it is just as logical for me to say they were written in 35 AD. Most serious scholars place Saul's conversion at 33 AD. What did Paul see?

Agnostic Alice

But that isn't true. Theistic scholars say the same thing. Maybe you should read up on the subject?

temporalillusion

Ah but if the theistic scholars say the same thing about the dates of authorship of the books of the NT which disagree with SM, then they aren't really theistic scholars, they're atheists in disguise or are being deceived by satan.

Although SM has said he changed his mind before, so I guess these scholars are closet atheists or are deceived until SM changes his mind about things, then they'll become true theists.

Self-Mutation

The point still stands on its own feet:

Paul was converted in 33 AD. Just WHERE did he hear about Jesus if the Gospels were still 60+ years away from being written?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

temporalillusion

Who says Paul converted around 33AD?

EDIT: And why do you doubt the Christian scholars that place the gospels 90AD?

EDIT2: And why do you assume the 4 gospels were the only source of information about Jesus? Oral histories? Other written works? And if Paul read the gospels before writing his letters, why was his view of Jesus so different than that of the gospels?

Diogenes the Cynic

According to Paul, he got his information from his own hallucinations.

Your suggestion that any Jew writing that quoted passage would have ben executed is nonsense, by the way. For one thing, it's highly unlikely that the author was a jew, but even he had been, he wasn't saying anything illegal under either Jewish or Roman law (and the Jews didn't practice crucifixion anyway).

mountainman

But quite obviously Jesus, whom had by this time eateth and drinketh a great deal with the publicans and sinners was veritably as pissed as a parrot. The author of the Gospel of Mark paints Jesus as a partial ascetic, gnawing on the bones of dead animals in preference to being a vegetarian, and knocking back the chrestos wine like there was no tomorrow.

The physicians of antiquity in the first and second and third and fourth centuries of the common era were the therapeutae of Asclepius. This group of real historical people have a great archaeological presence. Have you read about Galen? Ask any student of modern medicine who Galen was.