dado

by your logic, if i claim G-d told me the Red Sox will win their game tomorrow i am demonstraing the omniscience of G-d. your argument makes no sense at all - and it makes even less sense if the Red Sox don't in fact win.

dado

since it didn't turn out that way, we know that either G-d is omniscient but Ezekiel didn't in fact hear this from G-d; or that Ezekiel heard G-d correctly but G-d isn't omniscient; or that this isn't in fact prophecy at all, but an outburst of vengeful rhetoric.

take your pick, i'm comfortable with any of them...

Magdlyn

NOGO, I think dado is saying he does not claim inerrancy for Tanakh.

Simple.

As far as "Xtian" prophets, some think John the Baptist was one.

Some think Jesus was one.

Those 3 Magi seemed to know sumpin about sumpin.

St Stephen in AofA seems to be a kind of prophet. In the sense of definitions 1 and 2. Some people make the mistake of only defining prophet in the sense of #3.

1) A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
2) A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
3) A predictor; a soothsayer.
4) The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.

NOGO

Here is another prophecy.

This prophecy was made 300 years before Josiah was born and predicts a specific event that will occur in the future. It even identifies the main actor by name.

According to the bible this prophecy was fulfilled.
This prophecy requires omniscience.

Magdlyn

I feel a song coming on...

Saint Stephen with a rose, in and out of the garden he goes,
Country garden in the wind and the rain,
Wherever he goes the people all complain.

Stephen prospered in his time, well he may and he may decline.
Did it matter, does it now? Stephen would answer if he only knew how.
Wishing well with a golden bell, bucket hanging clear to hell,
Hell halfway twixt now and then,
Stephen fill it up and lower down and lower down again.

Fortune comes a crawlin', calliope woman, spinnin' that curious sense of your own.
Can you answer? Yes I can. But what would be the answer to the answer man?

PS. Go Red Sox!

dado

please point out where i EVER said anything like that. if you're going to attribute make believe statements to me, then you're right, this is a pointless discussion.

NOGO

My apologies. I have removed the comment.

Please answer the rest of the post.

NOGO

Dado claims that Yahweh is not considered omniscient in the Hebrew Bible.
That is just plain wrong.
Even if he admits that Ezekiel's prophecy on Tyre was mistaken most people of the faith would not.

All I am saying is the nature of many prophecies in the Hebrew Bible require Yahweh to be omniscient.

You cannot argue that Ezekiel was wrong.
The mere fact that Ezekiel attributes such prophecies to Yahweh is enough to establish the fact that Ezekiel like many authors of the books in the Hebrew Bible believed Yahweh to be omniscient.

Whether Yahweh exists or whether any of this can be taken seriously is not in cause here. The Hebrew Bible considers Yahweh to be omniscient. That is my point.

Take a look at the prophecy about Josiah.

Magdlyn

Is that so? Have you spoken to them, or perhaps studied the Talmud?

NOGO

Yes on the first two questions. No on the third.