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RUmike · 01-01-2006, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mata leao

oooooh, I hit another nerve! sorry Zora. so sorry old girl!

To the mods: I hope this post is allowable, and if not, I apologize. But to mata leao, you are the most immature, childish, and incompetant poster I have ever seen on this board. From the last 2 weeks of your posts, I've concluded no rational, intelligent conversation or debate can be reasonably had with you. You have yet on this thread, or any other, to offer arguments with any amount of support behind them. I can't even believe that people engage with you at all. You're now going on my ignore list. I'm surprised others haven't already done the same.

mata leao · 01-01-2006, 10:44 PM

awww rumikey....upset that you dont do much charitable work ? well, its the truth and the TRUTH hurts!

Astreja · 01-02-2006, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mata leao

awww rumikey....upset that you dont do much charitable work ? well, its the truth and the TRUTH hurts!

Please substantiate this claim, or apologize to RUmike.

Returning to the OP:

1. Yes, Christian hospitals do exist.

2. This infers the existence of humans known as 'Christians' who believe that by running these institutions they're doing the will of someone known to them as Jesus Christ.

3. This leads to the conclusion that these 'Christians' believe that Jesus existed.

I think we have consensus that the above three points are functionally correct (please correct me if I'm wrong, someone). But anything beyond this point, including whether or not this Jesus person ever existed on this planet, requires additional evidence. The existence of Jesus cannot be proven by the existence of the hospitals, any more than the existence of James T. Kirk can be proven by the existence of Star Trek clubs at science fiction conventions.

Sparrow · 01-02-2006, 07:45 AM

I'm one atheist that has volunteered for Habitat. No one asked when I was there if I was a Christian or not. Perhaps I was counted as one incorrectly. A local radio show host sponsors several Habitat houses annually, but he's Jewish. He appeals to his listeners to join him on site to help the build team. No requirement that they be Christians or even religious.

I volunteer for many different organizations and causes. I don't do it because I'm an atheist, I do it because I'm human. There's no need for me to announce my religious status as it doesn't enter into the situation at all.

mopc · 01-02-2006, 08:16 AM

I´m even disappointed that people took this discussion seriously. Come on!

note: funny that "mata leao" is Portuguese for "Lion Killer".

pharoah · 01-02-2006, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mata leao

kosh, doesnt matter, meals on wheels, soup kitchen volunteers, candystripers, over many many years I have consistently seen the heavy lifting in all the charities being done by Christian volunteers. I guess the "intellectuals" are busy drinking at the pub or the coffeehouse and holding forth on the great issues of the day! go see for yourself........ really, in any city, anywhere, any country,...coservative or liberal, doesnt matter. Outside the apologetical box "acta non verba".

How do you know this? Do you or anyone else take a religious affiliation poll of volunteers? If so, don't you see how that would be considered intimidating to non-Christians?

Kosh · 01-02-2006, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mopc

note: funny that "mata leao" is Portuguese for "Lion Killer".

This is apropos. Of course in Poker, those who brag have the weakest hand...

John A. Broussard · 01-02-2006, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mata leao

awww rumikey....upset that you dont do much charitable work ? well, its the truth and the TRUTH hurts!

I wondered why you were so free of pain. Now I know.

Malachi151 · 01-02-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mata leao

mountain man....all those thousands of hospitals,orphanages,feeding centers founded in the name of Jesus Christ and run an d funded and maintained by the followers of Jesus Christ will be testifying to Jesus' footprint on this planet long after mountain man is dead....no one will remember mountain man's name...... billlions will worship Jesus Christ. Get used to it! atheists have lost.

That's what you don't get, its not about winning or losing, it about the truth.

You can successfully convince people of things that are not true.

You can win a debate and still be wrong.

It happens in our justice system all the time. Layws win and lose, but that does not mean that justice is done.

When an innocent man is convicted because a his defense lawyer loses, its still in injustice.

When a guilty man is set free because the proescution loses, its still an injustice.

Winning isn't what its about, but then most religionists have never seen it that way, to them (and you) its all a sport.

lpetrich · 01-02-2006, 09:12 AM

One can make a similar claim that modern medicine demonstrates the existence of the deities of Mt. Olympus. The style of modern medicine is much like that of the ancient Greek physician Hippocrates than like that of Jesus Christ -- and Hippocrates started his famous Oath with invocations of various Olympians. But that oath would not have much meaning unless those deities existed, meaning that they must exist.

Isn't theological reasoning fun?

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01-01-2006, 10:44 PM	#42
mata leao Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: tampa,florida Posts: 342	awww rumikey....upset that you dont do much charitable work ? well, its the truth and the TRUTH hurts!

01-02-2006, 07:45 AM	#44
Sparrow Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,077	I'm one atheist that has volunteered for Habitat. No one asked when I was there if I was a Christian or not. Perhaps I was counted as one incorrectly. A local radio show host sponsors several Habitat houses annually, but he's Jewish. He appeals to his listeners to join him on site to help the build team. No requirement that they be Christians or even religious. I volunteer for many different organizations and causes. I don't do it because I'm an atheist, I do it because I'm human. There's no need for me to announce my religious status as it doesn't enter into the situation at all.

01-02-2006, 08:16 AM	#45
mopc Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: São Paulo, Brazil Posts: 1,504	I´m even disappointed that people took this discussion seriously. Come on! note: funny that "mata leao" is Portuguese for "Lion Killer".

01-02-2006, 09:12 AM	#50
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	One can make a similar claim that modern medicine demonstrates the existence of the deities of Mt. Olympus. The style of modern medicine is much like that of the ancient Greek physician Hippocrates than like that of Jesus Christ -- and Hippocrates started his famous Oath with invocations of various Olympians. But that oath would not have much meaning unless those deities existed, meaning that they must exist. Isn't theological reasoning fun?

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