aa5874

There some here who claim or seem to think the letter writer called Paul preceeded the gospels but I cannot find any credible information to support such a claim.

The church writers in their writings claimed or implied Acts of the Apostles is true. Saul/Paul was converted after Jesus was known or believed to have ascended, after Peter and the other disciples were already preaching about Jesus and had converted thousands, sometimes thousands of believers were converted in a single day.

In Acts, Saul/Paul was converted after the persecution and death of Stephen who believed in Jesus.

In the same book, Saul/Paul preached Christ in Damascus, the same Christ he persecuted.

In letters with the name Paul, the writer claimed over 500 people saw Jesus after his resurrection, and that there were apostles and churches before him.

Eusebius in Church History claimed Paul was familiar with the gospel of Luke and called gLuke "my gospel".

The NT places Saul/Paul last.

The church writers claimed Acts is true.

And Paul claimed he was last.

The church writers claimed or implied all the letters with the name Paul are authenthic.

Where is the evidence, what source, which book, which writer of antiquity clearly and unambiguously claimed Paul was first or before Jesus of Nazareth was claimed to be on earth?

Minimalist

Actually, in 2 Corinthians 11 "Paul" says:

Now Aretas III did conquer Damascus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aretas_III

Aretas IV, who died in 40 AD seems never to have gotten near Damascus and I have yet to find any Greco-Roman historical source which suggests that the Romans would have turned over a city of the importance of Damascus to someone who shortly before his death was being chased by the army of the Governor of Syria, Lucius Vitellius. Vitellius, btw, being the same fellow who removed Pilate from his praefecture in Judaea.

Odd, huh?

S.C.Carlson

Paul may be last of the apostles, but the gospels were not written by the apostles.

mountainman

Dear aa5874,

Have you read the claims made by the author of "Antiquity Unveiled"?

Best wishes,


Pete

aa5874

But, where can I find any information of antiquity about Paul where it is claimed he did preach Christ first, before Christ was made flesh?

That is all I need right now. Are there any church writings or any other writer of antiquity that contradict the Acts of the Apostles concerning Saul/Paul's chronology.

Doug Shaver

And you never will. Any information that supports a claim you don't believe, you will judge to be not credible.

aa5874

Total nonsense.

I asked for writers of antiquity who have claimed that Paul preached Christ before Christ was made flesh.

Do you have any information from any such writers?

This is Eusebius in Church History 2.17.6 Which writer of antiquity contradicted Acts of the Apostles with respect to Saul/Paul.

aa5874

So, we have a known dead or believed to be dead Apollonius revealing things to someone, this appears to be similar to Paul who claimed a dead or believed to be dead Jesus reveal some gospel to him.

In the real world, dead men don't talk, but a psychic will disagree and perhaps would tell you that dead men only speak the truth through them, of course, for a fee.


Do you know of any writer or writings of antiquity that disagreed with Acts of the Apostles, and placed Saul/Paul before the Jesus stories, before Jesus was even claimed to have been born?

Paul needed a dead Jesus, first.

Loomis

The Sermon on the Mount criticizes Pauline Christianity. Matthew 5:19 might be a play on words (a pun) directed at the word ‘Paul’.

Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commands and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven …

Compare Strongs G1646 with Strong's G3972.

aa5874

So, Paul was just an adjective.