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hope's daughter · 09-29-2003, 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by reprise
In hope's daughter's defence, she might not have realised that Infidels provides specific fora for different levels of discussion and that this particular one uses the term "criticism" in the academic sense of the word.

hope's daughter, I don't participate in this forum because I simply don't have the professional or academic background necessary to join the level of discussion which takes place here.

I enjoy reading the discussions which occur in BC&H and learning about the more complex issues involved and asking relevant questions, but for the most part I'm an observer in relation to BC&H and only post here when I think someone isn't really understanding what is being asked of them - as was the case when I posted to you in this thread.

I am not a professional. Heck I want to learn and I think unbelievers can learn from believers and visa versa. I thiunk when you let biases get in the way creative juices are stifled.

hope's daughter · 09-29-2003, 06:59 PM

Hey thanks for that awesome reading list. Did I mention I want to write a book? I want to write a book on theology...orthodox.

hope's daughter · 09-29-2003, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by reprise
There is a complete lack of evidence that God exists, let alone that any of the various scriptures throughout the world are His Word.

What specific events related in the Bible do you believe have been confirmed to have occured by both ancient scholars and modern day scientists hope's daughter?

It is a logical fallacy to base your belief in God (or in Jesus and his divinity) on the Bible if you are then going to claim that the Bible must be true because it's God's word. Independent corroboration of the events related in the Bible might at least establish that some of its contents are historically accurate, although it would not establish this veracity of other, unverifiable claims made in the bible.

I am not just relying on the Bible as my a validation of my faith but it is a huige part of it. I have said on thi board that GOD Himself revealed to me Who He was. Quite simply He place a thought in my head that was not my own thought but HIS thought. Yes I bekieve GOD talks to me and others. Now I probably will get laugfhed down. Please step up don't be shy. Christianity is not just subjective but objective . Each of us have a notion of perfction as an absolute and we know we violate it. Who was it that talked these absoulutes. Aristotle? Is this what he called them? Beauty being another? Were they forms or something? I will have to look it up.

hope's daughter · 09-29-2003, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reprise
In hope's daughter's defence, she might not have realised that Infidels provides specific fora for different levels of discussion and that this particular one uses the term "criticism" in the academic sense of the word.

hope's daughter, I don't participate in this forum because I simply don't have the professional or academic background necessary to join the level of discussion which takes place here.

I enjoy reading the discussions which occur in BC&H and learning about the more complex issues involved and asking relevant questions, but for the most part I'm an observer in relation to BC&H and only post here when I think someone isn't really understanding what is being asked of them - as was the case when I posted to you in this thread.

Reprise did not realize this part was so technical. Maybe I should stick with something of my own expertise. This does not mean that at a later date I will not be back to challange the thought processes of others and anyway I am a fast learner.

Kosh · 09-29-2003, 07:52 PM

hopes daughter...

what was the thought that God put in your head?

hope's daughter · 09-29-2003, 07:59 PM

Since you ask I will tell you. He said, "I answered your prayer." I was in my bathroom at the time God said this to me...His thought came in side my mind. He reminded me of when as a small girl of about 8 I prayed a prayer that if my mom ever died He (God) would take me first and then He reminded me of a bad car accident I had when I was 16 and how I was saved only to save my mothers life. This whole experience was so sureal and holyand just left me in awe, I went down stairs to tell my husband. Don't think he payed much mind. To me it meant the world.

Kosh · 09-29-2003, 08:08 PM

I too have often had to pray to Saint Metamucil under similar circumstances. But I digress.....

It's not clear to me to how he answered your prayer. Was the prayer that you would die before your mother?

hope's daughter · 09-29-2003, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by Kosh
I too have often had to pray to Saint Metamucil under similar circumstances. But I digress.....

It's not clear to me to how he answered your prayer. Was the prayer that you would die before your mother?

I had a very bad car accident. I will describe it for you. We were traveling about 75 miles an hour on a moutain road at night. I was going to describe everything and I just can't. It was bad Trust me on this. I eneded up in a resevoir upside down in the car underwater in blackness. There were four people in the car. I knew I was going to die and then all of a sudden I was on the outside of the car and I saw my mother hanging out the back window underwater and I pulled her out. God answered my prayer by NOT letting me die. Maybe He honored a stupid prayer becayuse I was praying for my death at 8 years old in exchange for the life of my mother and HE basically was saying you are too important to me to pray such a prayer but let me tell you how I answered it anyway. Whatever He combined those two incidents and then coupled them with the thought "I answered your prayer." So I trust Him.

reprise · 09-29-2003, 08:37 PM

hope's daughter. If you can relate your experiences of God without indulging in your need to witness then I'd be happy to listen to them IN ANOTHER INFIDEL FORUM. This PARTICULAR Infidel forum is not the appropriate place in which to witness or seek personal validation or support. It's not even the appropriate forum in which the rest of us should be posting "tell us about it" messages.

We aren't trying to make you "wrong" here. We're trying to help you work within the rules by which Infidels operates and assist you in having the best possible experience of Infidels.

We aren't heartless. I'm a chronic depressive myself and I know how shitty THAT feels. Do you know what? When people tell me I'm not functioning rationally DAY AFTER DAY, they are very often right. I can't imagine what it feels like to deal with what you're dealing with right now.

What I CAN try to do is redirect you to the fora where you can express what you need to express without disrupting the whole fucking messageboard. I can predict right now that if the threads you start keep getting sent to Elsewhere you are going to have a meltdown on this messageboard. It will confirm everything you already believe is true about Christian and atheist messagebaords alike. And it will heal the pain you are feeling not one jot.

We're really trying to cut you some slack here, as evidenced by the fact that posters in general and moderators specifically have been making incredible allowances for your transgression of messageboard rules. But we can't heal what ails you. The best we can do is be a sounding board for your doubts and guide you in the direction of resources which can offer you real life help.

FWIW, the post I've just made ALSO violates the rules of this particular forum, but at least I've made it fully cognisant of the fact that it's "inappropriate". I'm not so sure that many of your posts are made with the same level of awareness about how Infidels operates.

To the mods, admins, and other posters in this thread. This will be my last attempt to get hope's daughter's participation in this thread "back on track".

Kosh · 09-29-2003, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by hope's daughter
I had a very bad car accident. I will describe it for you. We were traveling about 75 miles an hour on a moutain road at night. I was going to describe everything and I just can't. It was bad Trust me on this. I eneded up in a resevoir upside down in the car underwater in blackness. There were four people in the car. I knew I was going to die and then all of a sudden I was on the outside of the car and I saw my mother hanging out the back window underwater and I pulled her out. God answered my prayer by NOT letting me die. Maybe He honored a stupid prayer becayuse I was praying for my death at 8 years old in exchange for the life of my mother and HE basically was saying you are too important to me to pray such a prayer but let me tell you how I answered it anyway. Whatever He combined those two incidents and then coupled them with the thought "I answered your prayer." So I trust Him.

Let's see if I can get this reasoning straight.

1. You prayed that you could die before your mother

2. You got in a car accident and saved your mothers life.

3. God told you that he answered your prayer (to die first) by NOT letting you die first.

Ie, God did what he had planned anyway, completely disregarding your prayer? And then he took credit for fulfilling the prayer?

Woudn't he have done better to save your mother and let you die (therefore completely "answering your prayer" ?

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09-29-2003, 06:59 PM	#72
hope's daughter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: middle earth Posts: 601	Hey thanks for that awesome reading list. Did I mention I want to write a book? I want to write a book on theology...orthodox.

09-29-2003, 07:52 PM	#75
Kosh Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orions Belt Posts: 3,911	hopes daughter... what was the thought that God put in your head?

09-29-2003, 07:59 PM	#76
hope's daughter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: middle earth Posts: 601	Since you ask I will tell you. He said, "I answered your prayer." I was in my bathroom at the time God said this to me...His thought came in side my mind. He reminded me of when as a small girl of about 8 I prayed a prayer that if my mom ever died He (God) would take me first and then He reminded me of a bad car accident I had when I was 16 and how I was saved only to save my mothers life. This whole experience was so sureal and holyand just left me in awe, I went down stairs to tell my husband. Don't think he payed much mind. To me it meant the world.

09-29-2003, 08:08 PM	#77
Kosh Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orions Belt Posts: 3,911	I too have often had to pray to Saint Metamucil under similar circumstances. But I digress..... It's not clear to me to how he answered your prayer. Was the prayer that you would die before your mother?

09-29-2003, 08:37 PM	#79
reprise Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sydney Posts: 3,997	hope's daughter. If you can relate your experiences of God without indulging in your need to witness then I'd be happy to listen to them IN ANOTHER INFIDEL FORUM. This PARTICULAR Infidel forum is not the appropriate place in which to witness or seek personal validation or support. It's not even the appropriate forum in which the rest of us should be posting "tell us about it" messages. We aren't trying to make you "wrong" here. We're trying to help you work within the rules by which Infidels operates and assist you in having the best possible experience of Infidels. We aren't heartless. I'm a chronic depressive myself and I know how shitty THAT feels. Do you know what? When people tell me I'm not functioning rationally DAY AFTER DAY, they are very often right. I can't imagine what it feels like to deal with what you're dealing with right now. What I CAN try to do is redirect you to the fora where you can express what you need to express without disrupting the whole fucking messageboard. I can predict right now that if the threads you start keep getting sent to Elsewhere you are going to have a meltdown on this messageboard. It will confirm everything you already believe is true about Christian and atheist messagebaords alike. And it will heal the pain you are feeling not one jot. We're really trying to cut you some slack here, as evidenced by the fact that posters in general and moderators specifically have been making incredible allowances for your transgression of messageboard rules. But we can't heal what ails you. The best we can do is be a sounding board for your doubts and guide you in the direction of resources which can offer you real life help. FWIW, the post I've just made ALSO violates the rules of this particular forum, but at least I've made it fully cognisant of the fact that it's "inappropriate". I'm not so sure that many of your posts are made with the same level of awareness about how Infidels operates. To the mods, admins, and other posters in this thread. This will be my last attempt to get hope's daughter's participation in this thread "back on track".

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