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Old 10-27-2012, 11:21 PM   #1
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Default 1700 hundred years ago today

On 28 October 312
the Christians
suddenly and unexpectedly
found themselves victorious.
The victory was
"a miracle"
though opinions differed
as to the nature of the sign
vouchsafed to Constantine.
The winners became conscious
of their victory in a mood
of resentment and vengeance.


...


The revolution of the fourth century,
carrying with it a new historiography
will not be understood if we underrate
the determination, almost the fierceness,
with which the Christians
appreciated and exploited
"the miracle"
that had transformed Constantine
into a supporter, a protector,
and later a legislator
of the Christian church.



The above extract is from the historian Arnaldo Momigliano.
The Conflict Between Paganism and Christianity in the Fourth Century,
The Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1963, pp. 79—99


The claim that Constantine commissioned
the forgery of the Christian religion
is not a slur on modern Christians.



~ Freely paraphrasing Charles Freeman's 381AD for 325 CE

The historical reality that the emperor Constantine commissioned "the fabrication of the Christians/Chrestians" [1]
and organised the first churches including the appointment of its bishops disappeared from the record.

A harmonised version of what happened at (military operated) councils of Antioch and Nicaea
highlighting a consensus for which there is little historical evidence concealed the enforcement
of the pseudo-historical "plain and simple religion of the Christians/Chrestians" [2]
through the medium of imperial legislation and the religious inquisition of civilians.

The aim of the investigation is to reveal what has been concealed.


[1] Emperor Julian "Against the Chrestians/Christians"
[2] Ammianus Marcellinus "Res Gestae"






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So Pete, we've all wondered where you've been. But it sounds like you might have gone into a coma and you're just going to start this broken record routine up again.

I hope at least that the surfing has been good.
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Great to have you back Pete! We've been missing ya! .....well at least I have.

I for one would be more than happy to listen to your broken record every day for the rest of my life were it the small price of having you remain with us.

Figured you were just off on a walkabout.





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I think this is how the Nazis punished homosexuals - moving a pile of rocks from here to there and then back again, all day, everyday.
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It was 1700 years ago today
Caesar Constans taught the church to pay
It's been going in and out of style
But it's guaranteed to still be vile
So may I introduce to you
The faith you've known for all these years
Caesar Constans' Roman Catholic Church!
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It was 1700 years ago today
Caesar Constans taught the church to pay
It's been going in and out of style
But it's guaranteed to still be vile
So may I introduce to you
The faith you've known for all these years
Caesar Constans' Roman Catholic Church!


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It was 1700 years ago today
Caesar Constans taught the church to pay
It's been going in and out of style
But it's guaranteed to still be vile
So may I introduce to you
The faith you've known for all these years
Caesar Constans' Roman Catholic Church!
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