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Old 03-11-2008, 05:47 AM   #1
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Default How tall was the thing Judas hanged himself from?

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Creationists often say that the story of judas death is some kind of sequence of events rather than the contradiction that it is :Cheeky: .

The bowels bursting verse, indicates that it happened in his field, so I'm thinking he hanged himself from a tree in that field.

How tall would such a tree have to be in order for someones bowels to burst from falling "headlong? It's not like he could have reached terminal velocity or anything approaching those speeds.

Very unlikely? Mythbusters anyone??

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A typical explanation is that he hanged himself from a tree at the edge of the field that stuck out over a ravine.

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A typical explanation is that he hanged himself from a tree at the edge of the field that stuck out over a ravine.

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Still, it had better been a very deep and steep ravine, so deep and steep infact that it's as bogus as ever.
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Well, a typical explanation for the bursting asunder is that the body had been left hanging for a while and was rotting, so it did not need to fall very far to split open.

Trust me. Anything can be explained with a little bit of ingenuity.

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Acts 1:18-19 With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.
"Blood" may refer to Judas' blood money, which he used to buy the field. The way I read this, it could be that Judas just crapped himself. A mundane explanation for what I think is a fictitious story.
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My understanding from a biblical course I took once upon a time, is that judas suspended himself over a sharpened stake and fell on it; very much like the Roman custom of falling on your sword. The fact that the practice involves suspending oneself led to it being translated as him having hanged himself.
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Well, a typical explanation for the bursting asunder is that the body had been left hanging for a while and was rotting, so it did not need to fall very far to split open.

Trust me. Anything can be explained with a little bit of ingenuity.

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This explanation makes the most sense. Perhaps he became bloated from trapped gases, the skin became taut and burst upon impact.

Or, it could be that people fabricated the story to seem more entertaining and more torturous for those who go against gods beliefs.

Maybe early people did not realize that you crap your pants when you die.:Cheeky:
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This explanation makes the most sense. Perhaps he became bloated from trapped gases, the skin became taut and burst upon impact.
I personally tend to side with those who suppose that fitting but differently imagined deaths were invented for Judas, a death by hanging based on the death of Ahithophel (2 Samuel 17.23) and a death by swelling based on the deaths of Nadan (in the legend of Ahiqar), Herod Agrippa, Antiochus Epiphanes, and others.

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I personally tend to side with those who suppose that fitting but differently imagined deaths were invented for Judas, a death by hanging based on the death of Ahithophel (2 Samuel 17.23) and a death by swelling based on the deaths of Nadan (in the legend of Ahiqar), Herod Agrippa, Antiochus Epiphanes, and others.
Don't forget the heartwarming story of Bel and the Dragon:

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23 Now in that place there was a great dragon, which the Babylonians revered. 24 The king said to Daniel, "You cannot deny that this is a living god; so worship him." 25 Daniel said, "I worship the Lord my God, for he is the living God. 26But give me permission, O king, and I will kill the dragon without sword or club." The king said, "I give you permission."
27 Then Daniel took pitch, fat, and hair, and boiled them together and made cakes, which he fed to the dragon. The dragon ate them, and burst open.
However, wouldn't the simplest explanation be that Luke's inspiration comes from the same chapter from which "Peter" quotes just two verses later to establish that Judas should be replaced, Psalm 109:

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8 May his days be few; may another seize his position. (Quoted by Peter to establish that Judas should be replaced.)
18 He clothed himself with cursing as his coat, may it soak into his body like water, like oil into his bones.
Might it be that Luke, envisioning Judas's being filled with the "water" of cursing, said that Judas died by bursting open?
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Might it be that Luke, envisioning Judas's being filled with the "water" of cursing, said that Judas died by bursting open?
It might be. And I really had never made that connection. However, the verse lacks a bursting, and the motif of swelling up and exploding is somewhat common in antiquity. I would be surprised if Luke knew nothing of Ahiqar or Antiochus or some other famous personage who supposedly died of bursting open.

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