Steven Avery

Hi Ecrasez, its ok, with your name you are always able to wipe out earlier posts ! Anyway, its not so much how one defines "parthenogenesis", the simple fact is that a non-supernatural partho-type birth in mammals produces a female child.

And actually the whole issue is quite fascinating and important. You can see Orthodox_Freethinker give a different viewpoint, one where Miriam's genetic relationship to Messiah is that of simply an implant/incubator or surrogate mother, no genetic contribution. Surprisingly, there are some "Protestants" with this view, and even among Pentecostals this idea (a major error, imho) spread recently in Ethiopia, under the teachings of a man named Teklemarian. The other view is that of the Roman Catholics (and I thought many Orthodox), where they approach the question as one of Miriam having a special type of nature, as in the "immaculate conception" doctrines. Ergo Messiah can be sinless, at the expense of doing violence to the prophetic line of the seed of David, and His true humanity through Miriam.

What I shared with you above, (and I enjoyed reviewing my notes, and look forward to reading some of the references as well.. especially the books at bottom) is really in my view the only fully consistent and beautiful understanding. Those who read the Arthur Custance material will get a better picture.

Shalom,
Steven Avery
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic

Bobinius

LOL. Me too.

But does not that mean that Mary was not faithfull to her husband, and had a relation with the Holy Ghost? She broke the law, or more exactly God broke the law!

yummyfur

Maybe god had a Clintonesque definition of sex, say like, if you don't break the hymen, no sex has occurred, something along the lines of "no harm no foul".

vsop44

There 's gotta be a simpler solution to the enigma !
I , personnaly , think that the good ole archangel Gabriel did more than announce to Mary that she was gonna be mother of god' son , he visited her ! Whether it was in the contract or not .
A while back I read a book ( can't remember which one ) where Mary ,because of her lineage , was in a school where the teachers who were from the line of the great priest Elijah , took the name of archangels . When the girls became of age , they were visited by their teacher ( in Mary's case her teacher 's name was Gabriel ) and when pregnant the girls were then married to rich unmarried men or widowers ,like Joseph for Mary .
Does anyone know the name of the book or the author ?

Steven Avery

As we discussed in another thread, there is simply no sense of that whatsoever in the New Testament. The quran account, however, is another story, it has an implied sexual component.

Shalom,
Steven Avery
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic

Ecrasez L'infame

God: What is sex? What is "is"?