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Old 11-24-2012, 09:29 AM   #241
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And there's no religious aspect to this - Abe claims to be an atheist (unlike GDon, who is some sort of Christian.)

There's something else going on here, but I don't know what.
If you find out what it is, Toto, please let me know. I've been trying to solve this conundrum for years, and not only in regard to Abe. Some of the most stubborn and rabid hostility against mythicists comes out of the mouths of (self-declared) agnostics and atheists. And they are as unreachable as the most diehard fundamentalist.

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And there's no religious aspect to this - Abe claims to be an atheist (unlike GDon, who is some sort of Christian.)

There's something else going on here, but I don't know what.
If you find out what it is, Toto, please let me know. I've been trying to solve this conundrum for years, and not only in regard to Abe. Some of the most stubborn and rabid hostility against mythicists comes out of the mouths of (self-declared) agnostics and atheists. And they are as unreachable as the most diehard fundamentalist.

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“What the hell are you getting so upset about?' he asked her bewilderedly in a tone of contrive amusement. 'I thought you didn't believe in God.'
I don't,' she sobbed, bursting violently into tears. 'But the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He's not the mean and stupid God you make Him to be.'
Yossarian laughed and turned her arms loose. 'Let's have a little more religious freedom between us,' he proposed obligingly. 'You don't believe in the God you want to, and I won't believe in the God I want to . Is that a deal?”


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Please, let us not get diverted from the OP. This is exactly what Gdon and ApostateAbe want.

Let us examine Ehrman's folly called "Did Jesus Exist?" possibly the very worse argument known to mankind for HJ of Nazareth.

Page 180-184 "Did Jesus Exist?" by Bart Ehrman.

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[i][b]...the Gospels are among the best attested from the ancient world, we are regrettably hindered in knowin what the authors of these books originally wrote.
Ehrman does NOT know what the authors wrote yet illogically declared the Gospel are well attested.

And then, a few pages later he declares "It is abosolutely true, in my judgment, that the New Testament accounts of Jesus are filled with discrepancies and contradictions in matters both large and small."--page 182 "Did Jesus Exist?"

It is true that the Gospels are riddled with other kinds of historical problems that they relate events that almost certainly did NOT happen."--page 184 "Did Jesus Exist?"
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I think Doherty's book will be a 'must read' for students of the 20th century 'historical Jesus' fad.
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I think Doherty's book will be a 'must read' for students of the 20th century 'historical Jesus' fad.
And what about Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist?"--the historical argument for Jesus of Nazareth??

Carrier, a Peer of Ehrman, claims the book is a Failure of facts and logic.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/1026/

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Having completed and fully annotated Ehrman’s new book Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth (Harper 2012), I can officially say it is filled with factual errors, logical fallacies, and badly worded arguments.

Moreover, it completely fails at its one explicit task: to effectively critique the arguments for Jesus being a mythical person. Lousy with errors and failing even at the one useful thing it could have done, this is not a book I can recommend.
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I would just like to point out that my limited use and defense of my analogy was entirely relevant to the OP, since it was in the context of defending myself against Roo Bookaroo's attacks on me in which he held up GDon as an example of proper engagement with my arguments. The analogy was meant to illustrate how I felt about such a claim.

It was others who politicized it, not me.

By the way, I see that Roo continues to draw on selective FRDB discussion on this thread to personally attack me further in comments on his Amazon review, remarks that have gone far beyond any legitimate limit in regard to a book review. He adds addendum after addendum to his Amazon comments after each exchange on this thread. I have complained to Amazon about this, and will be opening an account with them today so that I can personally defend myself and lodge complaints.

This man is clearly engaged in a personal vendetta against me, beginning with a simple hostility to my writing style and now sunk to the level of blatant personal attacks on my integrity in any and all fields that he can get his hands on, including from postings on FRDB used to paint me in the worst possible light. The manic vituperation and dogged pit-bull ravings he is currently indulging in are the signs of a disturbed mind (will I be attacked for analogizing pit-bulls?), as far as I'm concerned. But that does not mean I'm going to let them go without answering.

It's all predicated on provoking response through disreputable means, ones illegitimate on any DB which has any self-respect. But I am unwilling to ignore such things, I refuse to slink away even if the other guy may come across as mentally unbalanced. My enemy is not myself, it is the guy who attacks me personally with enmity and malevolence.

This commentary is well within the limits of the OP and the responses to it by certain posters here, especially since the quota of such response invariably consists of attacks against the author.

In the larger picture, it's in confluence with the general HJ vs. MJ debate.

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I would just like to point out that my limited use and defense of my analogy was entirely relevant to the OP, since it was in the context of defending myself against Roo Bookaroo's attacks on me in which he held up GDon as an example of proper engagement with my arguments. The analogy was meant to illustrate how I felt about such a claim.
Earl, your analogy is indefensible. It's that simple. Trying to justify your analogy is pitiful.

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I would just like to point out that my limited use and defense of my analogy was entirely relevant to the OP, since it was in the context of defending myself against Roo Bookaroo's attacks on me in which he held up GDon as an example of proper engagement with my arguments. The analogy was meant to illustrate how I felt about such a claim.
Earl, your analogy is indefensible. It's that simple. Trying to justify your analogy is pitiful.

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When you bring simple, biased emotion to it, as you and others have done, then "it's that simple." It's also a simple-minded evaluation of the political situation, and it's irrelevant to the OP and to my intention in the analogy. But that's my last comment on it on this thread.

However, it will not be my last comment on Roo Bookaroo, either here or on Amazon. Or on anyone else who engages in the same kind of personal attack on me.

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