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Old 09-12-2012, 10:56 AM   #1
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Comments on evidence for early Christianity in India and links to the disciple Thomas?

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..The Didascalia (dating from the end of the 3rd century) states,
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“India and all countries condering it, even to the farthest seas...received the apostolic ordinances from Judas Thomas, who was a guide and ruler in the church which he built.
Moreover, there is a wealth of confirmatory information in the Syriac writings, liturgical books, and calendars of the Church of the East, not to mention the writings of the Fathers, the calendars, the sacramentaries, and the martyrologies of the Roman, Greek and Ethiopian churches.[1] Since trade routes from the East were wide open at the time and were used by early missionaries, there are no circumstantial reasons why Thomas could not have visited India in the 1st century. And his visit is the most plausible explanation for the early appearance of the church there.

An early 3rd-century Syriac work known as the Acts of Thomas[2] connects the apostle's Indian ministry with two kings, one in the north and the other in the south. According to one of the legends in the Acts, Thomas was at first reluctant to accept this mission, but the Lord appeared to him in a night vision and said, “Fear not, Thomas. Go away to India and proclaim the Word, for my grace shall be with you. ” But the Apostle still demurred, so the Lord overruled the stubborn disciple by ordering circumstances so compelling that he was forced to accompany an Indian merchant, Abbanes, to his native place in northwest India, where he found himself in the service of the Indo-Parthian king, Gondophares. According to the Acts of Thomas, the apostle's ministry resulted in many conversions throughout the kingdom, including the king and his brother.[3]

Critical historians treated this legend as an idle tale and denied the historicity of King Gundaphorus until modern archeology established him as an important figure in North India in the latter half of the 1st century. Many coins of his reign have turned up in Afghanistan, the Punjab, and the Indus Valley. Remains of some of his buildings, influenced by Greek architecture, indicate that he was a great builder. Interestingly enough, according to the legend, Thomas was a skilled carpenter and was bidden to build a palace for the king. However, the Apostle decided to teach the king a lesson by devoting the royal grant to acts of charity and thereby laying up treasure for the heavenly abode. Although little is known of the immediate growth of the church, Bar-Daisan (154–223) reports that in his time there were Christian tribes in North India which claimed to have been converted by Thomas and to have books and relics to prove it.[4] But at least by the year of the establishment of the Second Persian Empire (226), there were bishops of the Church of the East in northwest India, Afghanistan and Baluchistan, with laymen and clergy alike engaging in missionary activity.[5]

.... Historian Vincent A. Smith says,
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It must be admitted that a personal visit of the Apostle Thomas to South India was easily feasible in the traditional belief that he came by way of Socotra, where an ancient Christian settlement undoubtedly existed. I am now satisfied that the Christian church of South India is extremely ancient...
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It is not inconceivable that someone could have traveled from Palestine to India in the first century, but the evidence is more in favor of a later legend.

I recall a recent thread that went through all of the evidence, but a quick search has not found it. I don't see enough here to justify revisiting the topic.
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His real name was Judas
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The latest thread on Thomas in India:

http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=311953
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It is not inconceivable that someone could have traveled from Palestine to India in the first century, but the evidence is more in favor of a later legend.
It couldn't have been later than the end of the 2nd century though, right?


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I did a keyword search before starting the thread and didn't see much of anything. A few posts in Little John's thread mention Thomas but I didn't see anything going through the evidence.
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It is not inconceivable that someone could have traveled from Palestine to India in the first century, but the evidence is more in favor of a later legend.
It couldn't have been later than the end of the 2nd century though, right?
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I recall a recent thread that went through all of the evidence, but a quick search has not found it. I don't see enough here to justify revisiting the topic.
I did a keyword search before starting the thread and didn't see much of anything. A few posts in Little John's thread mention Thomas but I didn't see anything going through the evidence.
It might be in the archives, which are not as easy to search.
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Is your wikipedia source Thomas_the_Apostle? The references there all seem to be professing Christian works that have not been subject to critical historical scrutiny.
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It is not inconceivable that someone could have traveled from Palestine to India in the first century, but the evidence is more in favor of a later legend.

I recall a recent thread that went through all of the evidence, but a quick search has not found it. I don't see enough here to justify revisiting the topic.
Sums it up quite nicely.


a follower of Thomas or another Thomas could have ended up with the same results
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Is your wikipedia source Thomas_the_Apostle? The references there all seem to be professing Christian works that have not been subject to critical historical scrutiny.
Except the Acts of Thomas though right--written early 3rd century? It would seem that the tradition was fairly early if that book was written soon after 200AD.

Bar-Daisan (154–223) sounds like an interesting study. Has he been discussed on these forums? I didn't find him in a search, other than these 3: http://www.freeratio.org/thearchives...searchid=17661 , one of which is
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An account of Buddhism was given by the Syrian writer Bar Daisan, who obtained his information from Indian envoys passing through Syria on their way to Elagabalus or some other Antonine emperor. He does not refer to Buddhists by name, but speaks of Samanaioi : this is cited by Porphyry (De abstin., iv, 17) and by Stobaeus (Eccles., iii, 56, 141). ...
Here's his wiki page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardaisan

Yes, on the source.
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http://nasrani.net/2007/02/19/book-r...t-vadakkekara/

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Note about the Author

Dr. Benedict Vadakkekara is a research scholar at the Capuchin Historical Institute, Rome and a lecturer of Franciscan Mission History at the Pontifical University Antonianum. Dr. Vadakkekara is a member of the Saint Joseph Province ( India) of the Franciscan Capuchin Order and has to his credit several publications especially in the area of Franciscan history and spirituality and Saint Thomas Christian history.1

Origin of Christianity in India

When one speaks of the origin of Christianity in India one actually refers to the establishment of that pristine Indian Christian community which has through the vicissitudes of history got spiritually and historically fused into today’s various Christian fellowships. In other words, today’s Indian Christianity has its roots deep in the ancient Christianity of Malabar. This early Christian community, which is native to Malabar, is known in historiography as Christians of St Thomas precisely because of its communal belief that its origin goes directly back to Apostle Thomas.

The Saint Thomas Christians, over two millennia, have defended that their ancestors received the Gospel brought by St. Thomas, one of the 12 disciples of Jesus Christ in the backdrop of the pronouncements by some 19th century Western historians who tended to dismiss this connection as myth. The lack of contemporary historical documents is often cited as the ‘evidence’ of non-historicity of the belief.

Dr. Vadakkekara points out the fact that the absence of written documents has ‘to be seen in the wider context of Indian historiography itself,’ which undoubtedly is a weak spot in the otherwise humungous literary achievements in the fields metaphysics, astrology, cosmography, poetry etc. There is, however, ample documentation of the history of this tradition available to the historian.

Vadekkakara examines in detail the scholarly opinion on Acta Thomae, the phenomenon of St. Thomas’s tomb at Mylapore, and the archeological findings regarding Parthian king Gondopharnes, during whose reign, the apostle is believed to have arrived.
However, as the author avers, there is no hope of additional historical evidence coming forth. The only way out is to ‘rationally explain the tradition of the Indian Christians regarding their community’s history,’ and that is what the book is about.

Historically, it has never been fully accepted that St Thomas landed near the Cranganore sea port in Malabar and introduced Christianity to the Indians. There is no material evidence to prove it. His bones were also not found at the Mylapore tomb in Tamil Nadu, and hence, even his martyrdom there is suspect. (A version about the Portugese excavating bone parts and a spear head at the tomb is also doubted.)

However, the traditions and practices of St Thomas Indian Christians, the descendents of those whom St Thomas supposedly converted, have pointed to his being there and attaining martyrdom. The tradition was true twelve centuries prior to the arrival of the western explorers, when there was no Marco Polo to report it, the author argues. ‘The Indian Christians wrote down their first history when the westerners asked them for it.’ The living tradition of the community provides the clearest pointer to the origin of the community.

Among various other things, he bases St Thomas case on:

a) The date of arrival 52 AD tying with the disappearance of the Kingdom of Gondopharnes in North-West India and the Council of the Apostles in Jerusalem two events which are now historically proven;

b) The 345 AD arrival of Thomas of Cana with a group of Christians and a bishop in India to bolster the Church of Apostle Thomas;

c) The passing interest in the visits of John of Monte Corvino, Marco Polo, Bishop David, Bishop Theophilus and the delegates of King Alfred among the then Indian Christians sworn already to the St Thomas tradition;

d) The consistent reference among Indian Christians to certain locations and certain families associated with St Thomas; and

e) The insistence of Indian Christians over centuries to visit the Mylapore tomb on the Coromandel Coast on July 3, when the Monsoon is at its peak

Contents

The book comprises three chapters, the first of which profiles early Christianity in India, namely, the community of St Thomas Christians by spelling out the constituent elements of its identity, its peculiar appellatives, and the sources available for the study of its origin. The several secessions it has suffered since the middle of the seventeenth century are also covered in this chapter.

The second chapter is dedicated to identifying and categorizing the various Interpretations given to the tradition of these Indian Christians regarding their origin. Origin of Christianity in India by Dr.Benedict Vadakkekara The proponents fall into two groups. the first of which consists of those who explicitly recognize as genuine the tradition. while the second group is composed of those who judge the tradition as of little value historically, or as something that cannot be scientifically ascertained. The framework adopted for setting forth the arguments is determined by the very nature of the subject matter. The chronological order is unsuited as there is no progression of ideas with the passage of time. Old ideas are often recycled and writers of former times are found cited time and again. Since the works are too many, it is unwieldy to analyze them individually. Hence the methodology chosen consists of identifying and collating in a logical sequence the ideas that make up the wide spectrum of arguments proposed for and against considering as genuine the tradition of the Indian Christians regarding their community’s origin. Even though some historians finally adopt irreconcilable positions, there is much on which they are in agreement. While some go a long way together before their path forks, a few use the same collateral evidence for drawing diametrically opposed conclusions.

The evaluation of the two groups of interpretations is carried out in the third chapter. It is in the light of the evaluation of the two groups that the question of the origin of Christianity in India is revisited. This reappraisal naturally conduces to a rewrite of the early history of Christianity in India, bringing into evidence the community’s social and religious structures that made it viable.

Chapter One

Early Christianity in India: Traits of Identity

I) . Identification of Early Indian Christianity
a. Constituent Elements of Identity
1.Origin
2.Way of Saint Thomas
3.Syriac language and liturgy
4.Social stratification
b. Appellations
1.Saint Thomas Christians or Mar Thoma Christians
2.Nasrani Mapila
3. Christians of the Serra
4.Syrian Christians
5.Chaldeans
c. Possible Sources
1. Expressions of Communal belief and experience
2. Tomb of the Apostle Thomas at Mylapore
3. Acta Thoma and Church tradition

II) Early Indian Christianity in today’s Ecclesial Fellowships
A) Catholic Thomas Christians
1) Syro Malabar Major Archiepiscopal Church
2) Syro Malankra Major Archiepiscopal Church
B) Other Fellowships of Saint Thomas Christians
1) Malankara ( Jacobite) Syrian Orthodox Church
2) Independent Syrian Church of Malankara
3) Marthomite Church
4) Saint Thomas Evangelical Church of India
5) Church of South India
6) Church of the East
C) Saint Thomas Christians outside official fellowships
Conclusion

Chapter Two

Origin of Indian Christianity in Historiography
1. Origin from Apostle Thomas : Arguments and Supportive Evidences
A) Tradition of Indian Christians
1) Fact of tradition
2) Uniqueness of tradition
3) Consistency of tradition
4) Unanimity of tradition
5) Simplicity of tradition
6) South Indiana and its accessibility
B) Tomb of the Apostle Thomas at Mylapore
1) Actuality of the Tomb
2) Consensus of tradition
3) Uniqueness of the tomb
4) Relics of the tomb
C) Gondaphorus, Acta Thoma and Church tradition
1) Gondaphorus and Acta Thomas
2) Acta Thomas and Church tradition
3) Ecclesiastical tradition and liturgy
4) Church tradition, relics and pilgrimage
5) Mention of Christian presence in Ancient in India

II) Origin not from Apostle Thomas : Arguments and Supportive Evidences
A) Tradition of Indian Christians
1) Lack of contemporary documents
2) Mythification of name Thomas
3) Acta Thoma as basis of tradition
4) Migration of tradition
5) Inconsistencies and Incompatibilities in tradition
6) Established by Nestorians
7) Foundation by Manicheans
8 ) Missionaries on trail of traders
Origin of Christianity in India by Dr.Benedict Vadakkekara

B) Tomb of the Apostle Thomas at Mylapore
1) Lack of contemporary documents
2) Inconsistencies in accounts
3) Rival claimants of tombs
4) Discovery of tomb

C) Gondaphorus, Acta Thomas and Church tradition
1) Lack of contemporary evidences
2) Unreliability of Acta Thomas
3) Ambiguity of India
III. Conclusion

Chapter Three

Historiographical critique on Origin of Indian Christianity
1) Evaluation of sources
a) Lack of Contemporary written sources
b) Examination of traditions contents
1) Tradition as concrete reality
2) Individuality of tradition
3) Identity of Apostle Thomas
c) Tomb of Apostle Thomas at Mylapore
1) Tomb as concrete reality
2) Tomb of Apostle Thomas in tradition
3) Relics of Apostle Thomas
d) Acta Thoma and Ecclesiastical tradition
1) Convergence of evidences
2) Liturgical references
e) Evaluation- Physical possibility

II) Physical possibility and Historical Actuality
a) Viability Structures of Early Indian Christianity
1) Social Structures
a) Archdeacon
b) Local Assembly
c) General Assembly
2) Religious Structures
a) Metropolitan
b) Local Clergy

B) Indian Christians and East Syriac Church
C) Indian Christians and other Churches
D) Indian Christians and their Compatriots

III. Conclusion
A Conspectus
Bibliography
1) Documentary Sources
2) Studies
Index of Names

This book is published by the New Delhi YMCA.
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