aa5874

Your statement is completely erroneous. You cannot be serious.

Please, minimize your rhetoric. Surely you MUST have heard of FORGED writings.

Surely it is entirely possible that that there was NO Christian writer called Tertullian.

We have writings that were supposedly done by Tertullian but upon close examination NO apologetic sources ever claimed Tertullian wrote them up to 200 years after and beyond.

The LARGEST work against Marcion, the FIVE books "Against Marcion" attributed to Tertullian is NOT acknowledged by any Apologetic sources to have been written by Tertullian.

I have ACTUALLY gone through "Church History" attributed to Eusebius and NOWHERE is it claimed that the LARGEST work Against Marcion was written by Tertullian.

These are the names of people who wrote Against Marcion UP TO the 4th century based on "Church History".

Justin Martyr --Church History 4.11.8
Dionysius--Church History 4.23.3
Philip ---Church History 4.25.1
Bardesanes--Church History 4.30.1
Theophilus--Church History 4.24.1
Irenaeus--Church History 4.25.1
Modestus--Church History 4.25.1
Rhodo--Church History 5.13.1
Hippolytus--Church History 6.22.1

In Church History there is Nothing at all about the FIVE books Against Marcion now attributed to Tertullian.

Next, let us Examine the writings attributed to Jerome.

De Viris Illustribus 24 Again, NOTHING about the LARGEST work Against Marcion, FIVE books, and that they were written by Tertullian--Nothing.

Jerome claimed Tertullian wrote AGAINST the Church--and NOT Against Marcion.

The evidence from Apologetic sources themelves SUPPORT the claim that there was NO Christian writer called Tertullian.

It is inconceivable that the LARGEST work Against Marcion by a supposedly well-known Father of the Church of Rome vanished without a trace for over 200 years immediately AFTER it was written and that the supposed Eusebius and Jerome did NOT even acknowledge the books and its author.

Based on my research, the Christian writer Tertullian is an INVENTION--A FRAUD of the Roman Church.

Duvduv

Why would the Church "canonize" the writing of the hardly known Tertullian about Christianity if Jerome wrote that Tertullian wrote against the Church?!

Of course they did rely on a number of people who were not kosher in one way or the other: Justin, Irenaeus, Tatian, Eusebius himself, and on and on.

Toto

Er - Tertullian wrote about Tertullian. He was not an especially legendary character. He had many human traits - unlike Jesus.

It's not a problem, really.

Where do you get this persecution complex? Please feel free to question Irenaeus. I think that Jay Raskin has.

But you need to make some sort of a case, so you don't appear to be just arbitrarily picking a number that is convenient for some other theory - as Pete appears to be doing.

Toto

The writings of Tertullian were not canonized. :huh:

Tertullian late in life became a Montanist and wrote books against the more orthodox church.

aa5874

Again, do you understand what forgeries are???

Tertullian could have been a Montanists but was claimed by the Church to have been a Jesus believer and forged writings under his name hundreds of years after EXACTLY like all the names of the Gospels and Epistles.

Tell me were there person called Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John who wrote the Gospels in the Canon???

Were there person called Peter, James, John and Jude who wrote Epistles in the Canon ???

Even Scholars reject the so-called authors of the Gospels and most of the Epistles.

We have PRIMA FACIE evidence that the Church or Apologetic sources INVENTED Christian authors.

Duvduv

All I meant by "canonized" is that the book became an official source of information for the official party line of the story of Church history.

Toto

His many books are sources for history. All such sources need to be critically examined.

It gets tiresome when you just reject things you don't like as some sort of dogma or official party line, without doing the work to explain your theories of history or the evidence.

MrMacSon

It is interesting that so many sources, that have been taken for granted, need to be examined for authenticity for

1. existence
2. reliability of their pronouncements (writings)

:constern01:

aa5874

Your claim is erroneous. It would appear that you have NOT examined the writings attributed to the supposed Tertulllian because they are fundamentally about Doctrinal issues.

Duvduv

....and context within which they are claiming to exist.......i.e. the time sequence, the time period in which they supposedly were written, the gaps and inconsistencies, and not just the use of language or "findings" of this or that canonical Christian connection......