Littlejohn

I opened this thread to give way to those who do not have the cultural level of Jeffrey Gibson to express their views on the various aspects presented the subject "origins of Christianity."

What should I do ?.... To put to "turn upside down" the entire my archive to trace my posts in which those exhilarating people appear? ... I can only tell you that among them there were also prelates.

"..One sure sign, I've learned, of the fact that people are laying claim to knowledge they do not possess.."

What would be the knowledges that I do not possess?.. Those on Greek language?..or Jewish? .. or Latin? ... Apart from all this, into Internet there are writings of people who, without any doubt, about what they know MUCH more than you! Today, fortunately, in Internet one can find everything you need to undertake any research: this is technological progress, that MUCH feared by your references....

In network there are many opinions on the content of the Talmud, about references to Jesus. There are also the amenities written by Gil Student (http://talmud.faithweb.com/). If the thesis of Schäfer is aligned with that of Student, then I can also do without reading his text. If not, nobody prevents you from outline, at least in broad outline, his thoughts on the Talmud. (save me the credentials of Schäfer: I am already informed through the site:

http://www.princeton.edu/pr/news/98/...2-schafer.html) (*)

However, for all that regard me and no matter what they have written the various Schäfer, Student and others of like, I can at least provide ONE proof (but there are many other and with devastating character for the "sacred" lie) that what is reported in the Talmud about Jesus is reliable. I found the key to solve the mystery of the origins of Christianity precisely because of rabbinic scriptures!

I do not know Mr. Pete Brown (mountainman?). However, if he followed my research method you can say that is not a "split"! (italian concept for "silly")

"..weren't we supposed to accept as authoritative and true John's claims about Iaso and the root of Iesous and what Jerome was up to, etc. etc.?...

Again I did not understand well what you want to know about Iaso ... However, in order to clear the field from any misunderstanding, the following quote is NOT a my statement, but, in fact, a mere quote taken from the site:

http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum1/HTML/001510.html

"Among the dialects spoken in Greek how is Iaso rendered in the Ionic dialect? Ieso. Now what is the male form of Ieso? Iesous, which is exactly what is rendered in Strong s Greek /New Testament Dictionary #2424." "This is a grave error, since the name Iasous is the masculine form of Iaso, the Greek healing g-ddess."


However, as I said, I am preparing a post to answer your questions.

Despite what you may think, I not feel me at all offended by such juxtaposition ... (I also hope that it is not Pete!)

One day Deng Xiao Ping said: "... no matter what color the cat is, the important thing is that catch the mices!"

You not only are you raising a fuss of unnecessary controversy, to mask your inability to respond with logic to my propositions (which under I put forward again), but uses on an "industrial scale" an of the most abused and well-worn polemical device, that goes under the name" ad hominem attack "!

This is a device to which the Catholic Italian apologists use very often, to try to dismiss the credibility of their opponents, as the arguments proposed become stringent and feel themselves with the "shoulders" at the wall!

Your reasoning to "sophistries" could be expressed so an way much more simple and clear .... A tribute to Brooke for its clarity and simplicity!

The "children of a lesser God" have no means better than those of the "superior" God, to do their researches and to highlight the attained results. Simply them, thanks to their "no-stupidity", to their intuition and sensitivity, can offset inequalities of the school level, and, for "some" cases, even exceed the various "solons" with the "stench under the nose!"

I now you place again my propositions which are still waiting from you a LOGICAL comment widely shared:

and..


Greetings

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Note:

(*) - From a review on the book:

"...In this lucid, richly detailed, and accessible book, Peter Schäfer examines how the rabbis of the Talmud read, understood, and used the New Testament Jesus narrative to assert, ultimately, Judaism's superiority over Christianity"

If this is really a view of Schäfer, then I have clear his "objectivity" about what he wrote! According to him, therefore, the rabbi of the first centuries WOULD READ the NT before writing their quotations about Jesus! ... Crazy!

In another site such David Duke exposes this other review:

"A new book, Jesus in the Talmud, that exposes the shocking truth about the position of Judaism toward Jesus Christ. It was written by none other than Dr. Peter Schaefer, head of Princeton University Judaic Studies Program and one of the world’s most famous academic authorities on Judaism. Once again my research and writings have been verified by the most respected of academics.

The facts are clear. The Talmud, which is the highest authority of Judaism, not only makes hateful and pornographic attacks against Jesus Christ, it even boasts that the Jewish community, not the Romans, arrested, tried and executed Jesus. In fact, the Talmud exudes so much hatred against Jesus that it claims the Jewish priests subjected his body to a series of four different torturous executions. It is not anti-Semitic to state these facts, it is simply the truth. It is not anti-Semitic to expose Jewish extremism and hatred, again, it is simply the truth. "

Apart from the blatant anti-Semitism of Catholic mould, everything, at least, should make silenced all those who still argue that references in the Talmud are not directed to Jesus (and moreover TRUES!)


Littlejohn
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Amaleq13

You should stop claiming support from experts you cannot identify.

Littlejohn

Originally Posted by Amaleq13

You should stop claiming support from experts you cannot identify

[/Quote] negazionism

The term "Catholic apologists" is a completely generic and does not identify any legal entity or group legally constituted. These individuals (those to whom I was referring) with whom I confronted polemically some time ago on sites in Italy. I do not understand why should not I make hints to this aspect ....

However abound on Internet Catholic sites who make the "negazionismo" (relative to denial) their main theme. I hope that the complaint of all this does not create problems here in the forum Infidels.org


Littlejohn
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Toto

Here's some advice for Littlejohn:

Do not ever quote David Duke. You instantly lose all credibility. Duke is a neo-Nazi sympathizer and an anti-Semite and a crackpot racialist.

Jeffrey Gibson

So far as I can see, no one has said you couldn't make such hints. What's been asked of you is that you tell us the names of the individuals you claim to have confronted. Who specifically are the individuals "to whom [you were] referring"?

Jeffrey

HaRaAYaH

Please stop wasting your time with facts or reason. Bow down to the superior and personal research conducted by Littlejohn. No matter how many times you ask him to backup his assertions with citations he will not deliver. It's just easier to say. My God, you do know everything and leave it at that....

Jeffrey Gibson

I though he said he arrived at his conclusions through intuition and the special sensitivities he possesses in virtue of his being a child of a lesser god?

Jeffrey

Littlejohn

Watch you who one revises!....

"..Please stop wasting your time with facts or reason..."

I must inferred that Littlejohn's those are not nor "facts" or "reason" ... Better to rely on "sacred" Bible, where "facts" and "reason" there are an enormity ...

"..Bow down to the superior and personal research conducted by Littlejohn..."

I said to be a "child of a lesser God". You are a "child of Yahweh": means therefore that you are a Superior! ..

"..No matter how many times you ask him to backup his assertions with citations he will not deliver..."

I have already said and repeated a thousand times that I ARE NOT HERE to make proselytes or to convince someone about "my" truth, but only to provide ideas for research, along with some data, apologising not able to provide of more because of copyright. (the book I am writing still needs time to be completed: when it will be, then I will can to be more "generous" in providing data).

Another fundamental reason that has prompted me to post in the forums, was to make known to those interested, that besides the classic path of research (the one prepared by the clergy forger about 19 centuries ago) there are others who deserve to be explored. Who is not interested to one, has no reason to complain about what I say.

"..My God, you do know everything and leave it at that...."

Lucky you that you still have the ability to believe in Santa Claus and everything else ... I lost, along the way, this capacity. On the other hand, however, can sleep me peacefully, without fear of dying with my "sins "!....

You forgot to add "tenacity" in research and study. For the rest, goes for you what I already told to HaRaKyRi .....

I absolutely did not know who was this David Duke! Here's what I wrote at the end of my post:

"..Apart from the blatant anti-Semitism of Catholic mould, everything, at least, should make silenced all those who still argue that references in the Talmud are not directed to Jesus (and moreover TRUES!).."

As you can imagine that I am a Nazi sympathizer ??... My father was a partisan who fought against the Nazis and fascists. None of you hates the nazi-fascists more than I hate them! ..

However, I think understand that what I place here in the forum Infidels.org, create much disturbance, and this means that henceforth I will have much more time for my research and my studies.


Greetings to the whole company.

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"...La fede in Dio non aggiunge nè
toglie nulla alla dignitê raziocinante
degli uomini; la fede nelle religioni
li riporta al loro stato primordiale,
quando l'uomo era appena uscito dalla
condizione bestiale per evolversi sino
allo stato attuale delle sue conoscenze"

Littlejohn
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