Sauron

Yes, call them.
Call them, one and all.

Maybe *they* can support one of your claims, because you certainly haven't done so.

Yet.

Or ever.

leonarde

1) I haven't made any "claims" about the Exodus or about any other books of the OT.

2) on the contrary I twice stated explicitly that I'm agnostic (read: undecided) as to the degree of historical accuracy in the Exodus narrative. Twice. On this thread .

3) Alas, Sauron's reading skills have failed him as much as his skills as an archaeologist and an historical linguist.....

Cheers!

spin

Unfortunately, you are in no position to judge here as you have proven to be unable to comprehend the problems set for you.

You dummied up with a site you found off internet which purported to supply you with a few poor possibilities as to words which might have come from Egyptian into Hebrew. The problem that was posed to you involved linguistic evidence coming into Hebrew of a culture which offered a wide range of ideas which did not exist in Hebrew.

As an analogy, Anglo-Saxon had approximately 10,000 words in its overall vocabulary, yet by the time it had survived the onslaught of Norman French the vocabulary had swelled up to 40,000 words in a space of 250 years, the majority of the new words dealing with cultural items not known in Anglo-Saxon culture, cultural pursuits like dancing and literature, legal terminology, food terms and a wide range of other terms. Before that Latin terms entered the language because Latin was the language of a new religion. After the Norman French, came a general renaissance wave of French, Latin and Greek, and on with other influences until the present. In the last 50 years the English language has invaded Europe to such an extent that thousands of words have been absorbed, words for sporting, entertainment, technology. What is necessary for a four hundred year sojourn of a less developed culture in the land of a more developed one is a vast influx of vocabulary. This didn't happen.

How long did it take Alexandrian Jews to abandon their native Hebrew in the post-exilic period? Much less than 400 years.

So, can you see the problem yet?

What we find regarding Hebrew is that it seems much like the other Canaanite languages, thus showing no inkling that the language even existed at the time reputed for the Hebrew exodus from Egypt.

Instead of the language showing vast evidence of submission in Egypt, it shows its local Palestinian character, fitting for a language born and bread in Iron Age Palestine, as all the positive archaeological evidence indicates. The culture that was there in the Late Bronze Age is the same as that in the Iron Age, only more developed.


spin

M. Hoz

No way.
The book was written in Hebrew.
The bookdescribes the Hitties,The Sumerians,The Assyrians,
The Emorites,The Canaanites,The Egyptians,The Babylonians (!),
and The Philistines.

DrJim

Which proves exactly what in relation to the quote you provide? M. Hoz?

Kosh

OK, let me clear this up, since I am responsible for starting that catch phrase here a couple years ago (it started out as "Ignorant Bronze Age Goat Herders").

While it is true that the Bible was written in the Iron Age, the beginnings of it's history (and the origins of the mythology) fall into the bronze age. So when I asked if it should be changed to "iron age", the concensus was that bronze was probably ok. Besides "Bronze Age Goat Herders" sounds a lot better than "Iron Age Goat Herders".

Doctor X

M. Hoz:

Yes. "Hit and Run" does not really work.

Kosh:

It actually makes sense. The Patriarchal stories have anachronisms which help to date them to far later than when they were suppose to be set--much like "King Arthur" stories.

So . . . it makes sense that your characterization is anachronistic!

--J.D.

Sarpedon

And the fact that circumcision is done with flint knives shows that practice is even earlier! Iron was regarded as new and evil, which is why the Druids used copper or gold sickles to harvest mistletoe. The fact that Jews circumcise with stone shows that even these metals were innovative at the time the practice originated.

Kosh

OK OK OK!

Ignorant Mineral Age Goat Herders tm.

DrJim

Were goats actually herded in the mineral age, or were they asked politely to follow people around? Does anyone have a Bible handy, surely it must have the answer.