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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sharon45
Hosea 3:4-5 and 14:2-3 talks about a time without sacrifices and then being replaced by prayer. 1 Kings 8:46-50 speaks of when the Jews are in exile and with no temple, that prayer is asked for atonement. Both of these speak of a time of apostasy when Israel is in captivity as a sign of judgement. These were not authorized alternatives to the sacrificial system. The basis of atonement was always sacrifice. Sacrifice was initiated (by God) immediately after the fall when God made coverings of animal skins. It continued throughout all the generations starting with Abel. Sacrifice did not start with Israel. I am not attacking Judiasm here. My purpose is to show that your rabid anti-Christian arguments can be used equally against your theology. |
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That seems to be right. I think he's the senior or emeritus rabbi. That sermon's not on their website anymore.
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The writings in the Tanach are only of a concern to Jews, unless you are Jewish yourself, your comments on the beliefs are meaningless. Judaism is a belief of Jews to be understood and debated only by Jews. Those from outside the religion are welcomed to try to understand and even in time, convert to Judaism, but to think an outsider to find fault in the belief is meaningless to Jews for the representive of Judaism, and will always just remain the person's personal opinions, nothing more. This is an accepted part of Judaism: Everything from all of the Jewish writings could be proven that they were not at all from history and from G-d, just written by men alone, and this would not in any way change the belief of Judaism. |
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I did not say sacrifices started with Israel. And yes, not only are you attacking Judaism in your rash statements, but also all the other religions to follow it that used and abused its teachings. You can keep this up as long as you like, but if you are of any of these beliefs, its very self defeating. |
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I can give my answers though about christianity and Judaism. As I said, Jews are devided into different sects with only one Tanach. Christians have many major sects, but hundreds of minor sects, while there are hundreds of versions of their bible. Anyone can denounce christianity because its creation is very flawed, this is proven many times throughout the NT. If a christian tries to find fault within the OT, they completly derail their belief as well. As I pointed out earlier, Judaism is really of a concern with Jews, the creation of christianity was from those that clearly did not understand Judaism whether they were considered orginally Jews or from those outside the faith. |
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