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Sheshonq · 03-15-2008, 10:25 PM

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Worry about that if and when you ever do the actual proof. You've got a lot of claims to back up; creating hypotheticals to distract us won't work, arnoldo.

What is your definition of proof?

The same as yours - the ordinary one.

1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.

Did you really think that trying to argue the definition of "proof" would buy you any time, arnoldo?

Stop stalling, get off your ass, and prove your interpretation.

DrewDiggler · 03-15-2008, 11:18 PM

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I guess the State of Israel is nothing new also,right?

If Israel proves Christianity, then Ireland proves the pot of Gold at the end of the rainbow!
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arnoldo · 03-16-2008, 07:48 AM

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The reason why their prophecies failed is because they set times and dates when the Lord and the Apostles made it clear that this is unknown. That is why Jesus said that the generation which see the signs (like the rise of the Anti-Christ) would be that generation. These signs could have appeared in any generation. Any one who says Christ will appear at a specific date is deceiving himself and others (such a thing will happen when the anti-christ arises). Date seting is contrary to what Jesus said "No man knows the day or hour." Ridicule all you want due to some failed prophecy of some nut who refused to obey what Jesus said. Shame on them...not on Him. <wave>

Yes, I agree Jesus did NOT know the mind of God.

Uhh.... I guess I also agree also that Yeshua did not know the mind of God, NOT.

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He could not tell the future as he was not a prophet.

Right... remember the "no two stones" prophecy as well as "destroy this temple and three days I will raise it up" prophecy. . .

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If the few historical accounts are to be believed and he actually existed he may have been a skilled healer at most.

Most atheists believe he never existed, try again.

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However one additional skill the biblical Jesus was good at was fostering paranoia and division.

Ok, so a fictional character creates paranoia and division....nice.

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In this task the Jesus character has proved quite adept. Creating open-ended predictions and scary scenarios are a few tools that he used to take advantage of peoples psychological insecurities.

Yup, the authors who wrote the gospels in the third century were pretty good fictional writers who wanted to scare the population. . . Boo! Stephen King would be proud. . .

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By modern ethical standards howev

er abusing people's vulnerability to superstition and causing anxiety is not perceived as a righteous activity.

Yup Jim Jones, David Koresh, Yeshua are all pretty much the same. . .

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This is no doubt one of the many causes of disenchantment with the Abrahamic mythology.

Yes, no doubt, blah,blah, blah.

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It is not hard to envisage that in the near future this current superstition fad will be religated to a cute historical byproduct of human evolution like the Greek mythology before it.

Right. . . and the State of Israel will cease to exist also . . .

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Fortunately while (like our forebears) there'll always be the odd confirmation biased happenings that appear to correlate with the latest interpretative version of this prophecy or that prophesy it'll all come to naught and will exist only in zealots imaginations.

Right, the same way I am a mutated chimp exists only in you imagination.

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Still, you seem to be quite excited by it and I notice that you like the attention and perceived authority you gain from having an intimate knowledge of the fantasy.

Of course, I think it will soon be classified as a mental illness in the DSM -X as "hyper-religiosity" or a "God Delusion."

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Too bad that you feel you have to poison others with your problems.

Hmmm... poison...nice analogy there.

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But hey, I guess everyone needs attention. :huh:

Yes, I crave attention.

eliotsj · 03-16-2008, 08:12 AM

I don't like hitman's interpretation nearly as much as the Wandering Jew.

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According to some sources, the legend stems from Jesus's words given in Matthew 16:28:

'Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.'(King James Version)[1]

In order for this statement to be true, Jesus condemns a random Jew who irritates him to not die until the Second Coming.

Some postulate that the Wandering Jew may in fact be Bigfoot (although most believe that Bigfoot is actually Cain).

arnoldo · 03-16-2008, 08:22 AM

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I don't like hitman's interpretation nearly as much as the Wandering Jew.

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According to some sources, the legend stems from Jesus's words given in Matthew 16:28:

'Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.'(King James Version)[1]

In order for this statement to be true, Jesus condemns a random Jew who irritates him to not die until the Second Coming.

Some postulate that the Wandering Jew may in fact be Bigfoot (although most believe that Bigfoot is actually Cain).

Wrong, Bigfoot is the missing link between mutated chimps and humans :Cheeky:

Source: SAB

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21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
"If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?"
21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

arnoldo · 03-16-2008, 08:29 AM

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I guess the State of Israel is nothing new also,right?

The state of Israel is influenced by many things. Religion, Geography, Ethnicity, etc. This is called demographics. It is not at all influenced by prophecy in an ancient collection of books.

You are absolutely right that the State of Israel is influenced by demographics. Israel was also influenced by demographics in the OT and yet God supernaturally intervened at various points in time in Israel's history.

Amaleq13 · 03-16-2008, 09:06 AM

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...the missing link between mutated chimps and humans

Please visit the E/C forum so that you might become educated regarding evolution and cease repeating this tired canard that serves only to emphasize one's ignorance. Chimps did not mutate to become humans. Chimps and humans share a common ancestor.

At the very least, stop saying such silly things in this forum. The silly things you say here should be related to the Bible.

Thanks in advance,

Amaleq13, BC&H moderator

arnoldo · 03-16-2008, 09:25 AM

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...the missing link between mutated chimps and humans

Please visit the E/C forum so that you might become educated regarding evolution

Uhh... I prefer to read the text book I have in front of me at the moment: Biology: The University and Diversity of Life than to get 'educated at the E/C forum

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and cease repeating this tired canard that serves only to emphasize one's ignorance. Chimps did not mutate to become humans. Chimps and humans share a common ancestor.

Ok, chimps and humans share a common ancestor which mutated in order to form modern chimps and humans.

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At the very least, stop saying such silly things in this forum. The silly things you say here should be related to the Bible.

Right, the silly thing I said was in response to this silly thing below

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Some postulate that the Wandering Jew may in fact be Bigfoot (although most believe that Bigfoot is actually Cain).

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Thanks in advance,
Amaleq13, BC&H moderator[/color]

Your Welcome
Arnoldo, AKA " fundie"

jaymack2 · 03-16-2008, 11:25 AM

Hey, Arnoldo, here's a novel idea: Instead of simply posting these one-line replies to posts on this forum, where you can substitute a flippant response for a cogent argument, why don't you actually post what you believe? Air it out, big fella, let yourself go. Post something that's actually longer than a sentence or two. With some reasons to back up what you're saying. Put yourself on the line, so people can engage in an intelligent debate with you. Come on, you can do it, dude.

arnoldo · 03-16-2008, 03:22 PM

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Hey, Arnoldo, here's a novel idea: Instead of simply posting these one-line replies to posts on this forum, where you can substitute a flippant response for a cogent argument, why don't you actually post what you believe? Air it out, big fella, let yourself go. Post something that's actually longer than a sentence or two. With some reasons to back up what you're saying. Put yourself on the line, so people can engage in an intelligent debate with you. Come on, you can do it, dude.

Thanks dude for the advice.

I actually used to do that but I would get a lot of the following in response to my attempt to provide a meaningful explanation.

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<edit. rants deleted> ..... <edit.. preaching excised>.... arnoldo stated, blah,blah,blah.

But don't let me stop you, go ahead a post your thesis on the subject and I'll be more than happy to critique it.

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jaymack2 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Eastern US. Posts: 15	Hey, Arnoldo, here's a novel idea: Instead of simply posting these one-line replies to posts on this forum, where you can substitute a flippant response for a cogent argument, why don't you actually post what you believe? Air it out, big fella, let yourself go. Post something that's actually longer than a sentence or two. With some reasons to back up what you're saying. Put yourself on the line, so people can engage in an intelligent debate with you. Come on, you can do it, dude.

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