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arnoldo · 02-15-2008, 09:08 AM

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and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross,
wherefore, also, God did highly exalt him, and gave to him a name that [is] above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee may bow -- of heavenlies, and earthlies, and what are under the earth --

What has this fricking got to do with Tyre? How about posting something that at least makes sense and is on topic.
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!

It fails if there is no future judgment of Tyre. Luke 10:35 ( Young's Literal Translation ) :wave:

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'Woe to thee, Chorazin; woe to thee, Bethsaida; for if in Tyre and Sidon had been done the mighty works that were done in you, long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes, they had reformed; 14 but for Tyre and Sidon it shall be more tolerable in the judgment than for you. 15 'And thou, Capernaum, which unto the heaven wast exalted, unto hades thou shalt be brought down.

16 'He who is hearing you, doth hear me; and he who is putting you away, doth put me away; and he who is putting me away, doth put away Him who sent me.'

WVIncagold · 02-15-2008, 09:54 AM

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What has this fricking got to do with Tyre? How about posting something that at least makes sense and is on topic.
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!
Again Tyre exist. prophecy fails!

It fails if there is no future judgment of Tyre. Luke 10:35 ( Young's Literal Translation ) :wave:

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'Woe to thee, Chorazin; woe to thee, Bethsaida; for if in Tyre and Sidon had been done the mighty works that were done in you, long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes, they had reformed; 14 but for Tyre and Sidon it shall be more tolerable in the judgment than for you. 15 'And thou, Capernaum, which unto the heaven wast exalted, unto hades thou shalt be brought down.

16 'He who is hearing you, doth hear me; and he who is putting you away, doth put me away; and he who is putting me away, doth put away Him who sent me.'

788400000989 seconds and nothing. thats 78840000989 to 0. every second it does not happen you get more and more wrong. whoops there goes another 30 times you are wrong. tick tock tick tock.

Minimalist · 02-15-2008, 09:59 AM

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Tyre was around after Nebby to be conquered by Alexander. That there renders the prophecy FAILED!

Not to mention the fact that it was around after Alexander...and the Romans...and the Byzantine... etc etc. In fact, it is still there today. It sure as hell looks like it has been re-built unless they are suggesting that the Phoenecians used steel-girder construction and concrete.

Sheshonq · 02-15-2008, 10:55 AM

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The critics cannot defeat this prophecy dont be deceived.

Already defeated. All that we're doing now is watch you thrash.

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They refuse to believe that "They" does not refer to the "many nations" or that Nebby attacked the mainland part of the city.

That's because the text doesn't support that reading.
Babylon did attack the mainland suburb - but they failed to conquer the island city - which is why the prophecy fails.

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I will go through a final review of this prophecy, then I will leave it up to the reader to decide who is right and who is wrong (The critics are wrong).

Unless you address the many mistakes you've made already, and the holes we've identified in your arguments, then repeating your claims isn't going to impress anyone.

(scrolling down.....)

Well by looking over your post, you merely repeated yourself, which means you lost this debate before you even started.

PROPHECY FAILS! :rolling:
SKEPTICS WIN! :notworthy:

WVIncagold · 02-15-2008, 11:05 AM

Xians wrong 86400 times every day.
Skeptics wrong 0 times.
Tyre exists and is pointing a big middle finger at Christian Prophet believers.

arnoldo · 02-15-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarhitman

The critics cannot defeat this prophecy dont be deceived.

Already defeated. All that we're doing now is watch you thrash.

That's because the text doesn't support that reading.
Babylon did attack the mainland suburb - but they failed to conquer the island city - which is why the prophecy fails.

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I will go through a final review of this prophecy, then I will leave it up to the reader to decide who is right and who is wrong (The critics are wrong).

Unless you address the many mistakes you've made already, and the holes we've identified in your arguments, then repeating your claims isn't going to impress anyone.

(scrolling down.....)

Well by looking over your post, you merely repeated yourself, which means you lost this debate before you even started.

PROPHECY FAILS! :rolling:

The only thing that fails is your understanding of prophecy. Besides, for prophecy to fail that implies the book of ezekiel was written before the fact. Most people believe it was written after the fact, like Daniel, thus their is no prophecy to fail.

WVIncagold · 02-15-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

The only thing that fails is your understanding of prophecy. Besides, for prophecy to fail that implies the book of ezekiel was written before the fact. Most people believe it was written after the fact, like Daniel, thus their is no prophecy to fail.

If it is written after the fact it just proves Zeke was a piss poor historian.
If it was written before the fact it proves Zeke was a piss poor prophet.
tick tock tick tock.

Sheshonq · 02-15-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

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Originally Posted by Sheshonq

Already defeated. All that we're doing now is watch you thrash.

That's because the text doesn't support that reading.
Babylon did attack the mainland suburb - but they failed to conquer the island city - which is why the prophecy fails.

Unless you address the many mistakes you've made already, and the holes we've identified in your arguments, then repeating your claims isn't going to impress anyone.

(scrolling down.....)

Well by looking over your post, you merely repeated yourself, which means you lost this debate before you even started.

PROPHECY FAILS! :rolling:

The only thing that fails is your understanding of prophecy.

Nope. I understand prophecy well enough to know that when it doesn't come true, it's a failure!

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Besides, for prophecy to fail that implies the book of ezekiel was written before the fact. Most people believe it was written after the fact, like Daniel, thus their is no prophecy to fail.

I don't care what "most people believe". I'm judging the prophecy based on the claim by fundies that it was written before the fact.

Given that scenario, the PROPHECY FAILS! :rolling:

spin · 02-15-2008, 04:32 PM

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...[Excised ludicrous ravings of a religious mind]...

Amen, brother, preach it!

Yeah, forget about history and spew incoherent ramblings based on English hairsplitting that make you feel good about your ancient mystery religion and its obvious flaws.

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Here is a prophecy every unbeliever will have the chance to disprove one day. Philipians 2:10 (Young Translation)

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and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross,
wherefore, also, God did highly exalt him, and gave to him a name that [is] above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee may bow -- of heavenlies, and earthlies, and what are under the earth --

Beliefs are wonderful things: if you were born in some arab country you might take on a bomb vest in anticipating the hundreds of virgins. Doh! Why do you refuse to use your brain in a reasonable manner?

spin

spin · 02-15-2008, 04:45 PM

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The only thing that fails is your understanding of prophecy.

I would have thought that you and your friend have changed your ideas on the source text several times, so it would be difficult for you to say anything meaningful about others' understanding of the prophecy when you are so incoherent about it. The only thing that is stable in your head is that the prophecy must be correct.

These questions should show you the uselessness of trying to make anything out of Ezekiel's Tyre prophecy.

Is Tyre the island as indicated in the Amarna letters and the Assyrian inscriptions?
Is Tyre separate from Ushu as indicated in the Amarna letters and the Assyrian inscriptions?
Is Ushu the mainland source for Tyre's secure water supply as indicated in the Amarna letters?
Was Ushu at times under the control of Tyre?
Was Ushu several kilometers south of Tyre near stable sources of water?
Is Tyre now destroyed, never having been rebuilt?

I really don't understand why you bother. History has proved this prophecy wrong, just as it has the prophecy about the Medes conquering Babylon. This sort of stubborn stupidity of yours, grimly hanging onto errors against the weight of evidence, should help you understand the weirdest of religious zealots throughout the world's history. Reality and fact are insignificant when you believe.

spin

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