paarsurrey

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Originally Posted by barre
Hi

I don't agree with you.

In my opinion, the first to start with, there were believers in ONEGOD; when they lost the guidance or their concepts got corrupted or they became superstitious they became believers in many gods or perhaps no god. This is what I understand from Quran the pristine Word of GodAllahYHWH.

Others could differ with me out of their free will, but I don't think they have got any solid proof; only conjectures.

Whatever you believe, I respect your faith or no-faith.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

aa5874

Who were these first believers, where did they live and when did they write down the name of the ONEGOD for the first time?

No conjectures, please. Just give me solid proof.

Sapho

It doesnt matter what we believe. What matters, is what does the evidence tell us?

What makes you think the Quran is a reliable guide to history?

Sheshbazzar

All archelogical evidence appears to indicate otherwise, unless you are claiming that all of those hundreds of pre-Israelite ancient "gods" were really all just a lot of different names for what was really only one (and the same) "god".
But such a theory would not seem to sit at all well with those warnings against serving the old "false" gods to be found within The Scriptures, "those "gods" from the other side of the flood"
Joshua 24:2, 14, 15. and in The Qur'an, 007.138, 016.036

adren@line

Semitic monotheism is simply a rip-off of Zoroastrian dualism, which itself at its early stages was the Persian form of Hinduism, as both Zoroastrianism and Hinduism stemmed from the same source and are both offshoots of proto-Indo-Iranian religion.

Osbert

Where do you get the notion that Allah and Yahweh are the same God?

Solitary Man

Evidence?

A Stable Flux

I hope you have more than an opinion behind the assertion that at the start there was monotheism. Monotheism is a relatively late development, as noted it is heavily derivative of Persian origins. The god Ēl is the more older and original theism. That people got lost or their concepts corrupted are normative judgements. That is, there is an implied inferiority to those who got 'lost' or 'corrupted' from this alleged origin of monotheism. Anyway this is rather peripheral. The main matter here is whether there were originally believers in monotheism. I just don't see this case in history. There were first polytheisms and henotheisms and possibly at the origin of belief there was animism. Monotheism is such a refined and generally institutional spirituality which developed relatively late in history.

Doug Shaver

You say so. Any other reason we should believe it?

paarsurrey

Hi

I think first there was verbal Revelation from GodAllahYHWH; and when man first learnt language from GodAllahYHWH, then came the stage that human knowldge should be stored and committed to writing.

Quran the prinstine and most secure of the RevealedBooks mentions it.

The Holy Quran : Chapter 55: Al-Rahman

[55:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[55:2] The Gracious God.
[55:3] He taught the Qur'an.
[55:4] He created man,
[55:5] And taught him plain speech.
http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=55

The Holy Quran : Chapter 96: Al-`Alaq

[96:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[96:2] Proclaim thou in the name of thy Lord Who created,
[96:3] Created man from a clot of blood.
[96:4] Proclaim! and thy Lord is the Most Bounteous;
[96:5] Who taught by the pen,
[96:6] Taught man what he knew not. [96:7] Nay! man, indeed, transgresses,
[96:8] Because he thinks himself to be independent.
http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=96

So, GodAllahYHWH tells us that first He taught man plain speech and letter man learnt to write with pen, perhaps under His guidance. This seems to be reasonable and logical , of all the possible probabalities. With a little thinking one could get it.

I respect you viewpoint.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim