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EarlOfLade · 09-26-2006, 02:05 PM

One thing that strikes me as highly unlikely is that any of the diciples who were fishermens and what not, could read and write.

Is there anyone here who can shed some light over possible types of education that these people could have received?

Atheos · 09-27-2006, 01:21 AM

Theories abound among apologists as to how uneducated Galilean fishermen could have authored the books they allegedly authored. Of course if one assumes Luke (the physician) wrote GLuke/Acts and Paul (Educated by Gamaliel) wrote all of the Pauline epistles then most of the NT was written by two educated men. Whoever wrote the general epistle to the Hebrews was also educated, whether one assumes it was Paul or someone else.

As to the rest, it could have been that Peter, John, James and Jude dictated their their books to scribes who wrote them, which is a commonly accepted theory.

Of course once you throw magic into the mix all bets are off. Bear in mind that the following claim is made regarding the disciples:

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Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

If God could make these folks fluent in no less than 16 divergent languages, why not throw in the ability to read and write Koine Greek at no additional charge? In for a penny, in for a pound.

aa5874 · 09-28-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EarlOfLade

One thing that strikes me as highly unlikely is that any of the diciples who were fishermens and what not, could read and write.

Is there anyone here who can shed some light over possible types of education that these people could have received?

It was implied that Jesus never had any formal education, see John 7:15, 'And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned.

John's Jesus may have been illiterate in real life.

Chili · 09-28-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

It was implied that Jesus never had any formal education, see John 7:15, 'And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned.

John's Jesus may have been illiterate in real life.

According to the response "My doctrine is not my own: it comes from him who send me," Jesus was inspired to say what he said.

Chili · 09-28-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Atheos

Theories abound among apologists as to how uneducated Galilean fishermen could have authored the books they allegedly authored. Of course if one assumes Luke (the physician) wrote GLuke/Acts and Paul (Educated by Gamaliel) wrote all of the Pauline epistles then most of the NT was written by two educated men. Whoever wrote the general epistle to the Hebrews was also educated, whether one assumes it was Paul or someone else.

As to the rest, it could have been that Peter, John, James and Jude dictated their their books to scribes who wrote them, which is a commonly accepted theory.

Of course once you throw magic into the mix all bets are off. Bear in mind that the following claim is made regarding the disciples:

Acts 2:3-8 desribes the language that we, as in each one of us, are born with and thus before reason added convention to our speach.

Chili · 09-28-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EarlOfLade

One thing that strikes me as highly unlikely is that any of the diciples who were fishermens and what not, could read and write.

Is there anyone here who can shed some light over possible types of education that these people could have received?

The disciples were the converted shepherds and they were the eiditic images of Joseph that he cast aside in his attempt to find the meaning of life. After finding it he was a new creation now called Jesus who recalled the shepherds to be his disciples.

This would be why they were out herding sheep at night (= beyond theology)and were re-called to become disciples now going in the other direction.

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