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Christian texts say that he died. The act of dying was the sacrifice. The notion is not hard to grasp. The theology is simple. The texts are straightforward on the issue. All you have to do is read.


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The dead body was produced after the centurian declared he was dead. The body was wrapped in bands and stuck in a tomb. Your complaint is that they do not produce the dead body when you want it. But you can't always have things as you want it. You have to deal with things the way they are.

You can't have it both ways. Either you read the text for its narrative, which is clear, or you read it with a truly sceptical eye which says that it didn't happen, but you can't pretend for a while to do one thing then surreptitiously swap to the other when you lose concentration.


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The question is not about theology. Did Jesus die for your sins? Yes, No, Don't know or Don't care are possible positions.

I say, No. What do you say?

QuestionMark

If I sell my house and stocks, and give all my money to charity on Friday and it is returned to me on Sunday, what was my sacrifice?

QM?

Salam

That reminds me for Ahmed Deedat's Booklet: Crucifixion Or Cruci-fiction.

Mythra

The texts also make it clear that the resurrected Jesus was in bodily form. Ghosts can't eat fish.

And, in bodily form, he floated up into the sky in front of many witnesses, until he went behind a cloud and was lost from sight.

No use in stopping the discussion at cadaver re-animation. If we're going to utilize the reasoning skills of a first grader, we may as well accept the ascension as well.

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You are mis-representing my position.
I regard the entire Gospel story as fiction.

I do not want anything or have anything to do whatsoever with the Gospel story. The authors claimed Jesus was crucified, died, his body was missing, they claimed he rose from the dead, and he was seen alive sometime afterwards.

It should obvious that the story contains fiction or errors, if Jesus was seen alive, then he wasnt dead, if he died, then he wasn't seen alive. however, all the authors claimed he was seen alive.


In order to show the inconsistencies and contradictions of the authors, one must examine the narrative. It is the authors who say one thing yet show another. If the authors say Jesus should be dead for three days and three nights, then they should make sure, for credibilty's sake, that it happens.

I had no input in the Gospel story, I only found it to be a pack of lies.

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Analogies need to be seen to be relevant in order to be effective. If I tell you that you can feed all the children in Iraq if you let me cut off your hand for the weekend, oh and you have to feel me cut, would you do it?

It doesn't take rocket science to understand from the outside.


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And all the children in Iraq saw you on Friday with your hand intact, on Sunday, the children can't find you, and on Monday you show up with your hand still intact, and you declare," I did it for you, see my scar!"

I could do that, I have a scar on my right wrist.

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You are not being consistent.

Though you half-heartedly try to enter the logic of the text every now and then.

Then you're in the wrong place. We do gospel stories here.

They claimed he was seen alive. Be consistent.

Perhaps you missed the part which says thte death and the resurrection were part of the same story.

People make mistakes.

You have your belief.


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