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Old 07-05-2007, 02:35 PM   #611
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......The reason Rohl is important is not because his New Chronology conclusively supports the founding of Ancient Egypt after the Flood. He is important because he raises serious questions about accepted Egyptian Chronology. I don't think you have ever addressed any of these serious questions. <snip: blah, blah> Until you can deal with these questions, I don't think you can say that "Egyptian Chronology is settled. The Flood is impossible.".....
Two words: Predynastic Egypt. If the Flud happened, the archaeological evidence for Predynastic Egypt should have either been wiped out or buried under 1 (or 2, or whatever figure you have decided on now) miles of sediment.
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.......In my next post, I will provide evidence for Primeval (and early post-Flood) longevity, and also dig deeper into population growth.
Good luck on this one as I would imagine you will have precisely no evidence for your conjectures. On the other hand, here you can find a discussion on the demography of Ancient Egypt which, based on the archaeological evidence, indicates that:
  • Child mortality in the first 5 years of life was around 45%
  • Life expectancy at birth was between 20 and 30 years (probably nearer 20)
  • Average adult age at death was between 30 and 40 years (women around 5 years less because of pregnancy-related complications and illnesses)
  • Annual population growth was around 0.1% and population doubling took anything from 30 to 60 generations
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:41 PM   #612
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Having checked my maths, and having re-read Smyth, I concede this point. I was mislead by an earlier poster who was saying that Thuban was aligned at the pole in 2170 BCE. Re-reading Smyth's book, I see that the previous poster was misrepresenting Smyth and that Smyth's alignment does use the 3-4 degree angle that you quote.
I have been reading Dave's posts since he first showed up at ATBC in May'06 and I do not recollect that he has ever made any statement like the above, even after many>most>all of his arguments were smashed to smithereens.

Dave, this is how real scholars behave - scientists and other academics. They pay attention to others' arguments and concede when the evidence is against them.

Pay attention and learn. Your bible, after all, stresses humility over hubris.
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:52 PM   #613
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Still no comment on which sediment in the Nile Valley records the moment that Egypt was wiped out, Dave?
 
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Still no comment on which sediment in the Nile Valley records the moment that Egypt was wiped out, Dave?
I expect it would probably be clean slate.

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Old 07-05-2007, 04:03 PM   #615
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Boom tish.

Probably a better answer than any Dave will come up with.
 
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And again I ask, dave:

Philitis, Philiton, Philition: shepherd or architect/cosmologist/prince of Israel?

Who says he was the latter, when Herodotus and the priests of Egypt who were his contemporary informants say he was merely the former?

Even if you were able to show that the Great Pyramid encoded secrets of cosmic scope, don't you also need to show that those secrets were encoded by someone who inherited this supersecret high-tech information from Noah and the pre-Flood advanced civilizations? If you can't do that, then what difference does it make for your Flood theory that some dynastic Egyptian architect knew a few more things than we once would have thought; if he didn't learn them from Noah, then how does that knowledge advance your Flood "hypothesis"?

So far, as far as I can tell, Philitis is your one and only shot to make a Great Pyramid - Noah connection.

And, yet, you keep failing to defend Philitis-the-architect on any of your recent visits.

What are we to assume from this, other than that you have given up on yet another unsupportable argument?
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Oh, and dave--another argument you really need to address:

Even if we were to buy your population extrapolations--which we are, of course, one heck of a long way from doing!--and were to conceded that post-Flood population growth would have afforded a sufficient workforce to build the Great Pyramid...

...isn't it the case that your population figures are not remotely adequate to allow for the staggering and sophisticated workforce that would have been necessary, several centuries earlier, to build the much larger and taller Tower of Babel?

(Not my argument, I'm just recycling it because I think it's unanswerable and devastating, even on Dave's "own" terms.)
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afdave, since you've returned to the thread (unlike praxeus, who seems to have taken a powder), let me pose once again the two fundamental questions that have been guiding this thread for awhile.

1) What is your date for the Flood (i.e. the one that you accept for purposes of argument)?

2) If it's approximate (and there's no reason why it shouldn't be), what are the outside limits?

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However, since, wonder of wonders, praxeus is back, let me say, praxeus, you promised us answers to the two above questions several months ago. We're still waiting.

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Old 07-06-2007, 05:06 AM   #619
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And, of course, the question as to why/how the sons and grandsons [and daughters and granddaughters, of course] of Noah managed to not only repopulate Egypt sufficiently to build the pyramid, but managed to:
build a complex multi-layered polytheism (that differed from region to region, with evidence of variation and merger over time)
build a polytheism that did not in clude Yahwhe or anything likt it
build a literary tradition with no mention of a world-wide flood that destoryed everyone except their parents/grandparents
build a literary tradition that made no mention of a revolt against the god of their fathers/grandfathers

This seems highly puzzling, Dave, particularly given your frequent assertiosn of the superiority of literary texts to any and all other evidentiary streams.
Explanations?

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........ excatly zero expectation of any answer at all
Been there, got the T-shirt.
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