mark9950

Lets make one thing clear,I know of this contraversy and must say that whether Jesus said or meant it is really unimportant of my point.

Jesus followers believed that he was coming back in many more verses of the Bible in their generation.

This puts to rest what jesus said and meant with this paragraph "This Generation" His followers believed that he was coming quickly which discredits the bible as the INFALLABLE word of God because either jesus lied or someone made an error.

Take your pick

judge

Not at all...

Jesus did "return" He came on clouds of glory.

As most scholars, Church leaders, and even skeptics down the centuries have affirmed, Jesus Christ promised his early apostles that they would be the ones to witness the last days events as well as His return in their generation (Matt 24:33-34; Matt 23:36). We that are citizens of the Kingdom of God hardly need mention that the Lord of Heaven and Earth always keeps his promises. Therefore, the assertion that Jesus honored his promise to return in the lifetimes of his apostles (Matt 10:22-23; Matt 16:27-28; John 21:21-22) should come as a surprise to no one—the apostles, along with their Master, all taught and prophesied that they were the last days generation (Heb 1:1-2; James 5:3; 1 Cor 10:11; Acts 2:15-17; 1 Peter 1:20; Heb 9:26; Matt 16:3). The "last days" signifies the last days of the Old Testamental Age.

from.....

http://www.preteristvision.org/artic...evidences.html

Javaman

Judge, I do not buy that argument one bit. These passages are only up for interpretation by those who desperately need them to be:

Matthew 16:28
Verily I say to you, there are certain of those standing here who shall not taste of death till they may see the Son of Man coming in his reign.'

Mark 9:1
And he said to them, `Verily I say to you, That there are certain of those standing here, who may not taste of death till they see the reign of God having come in power.'

Luke 9:27
and I say to you, truly, there are certain of those here standing, who shall not taste of death till they may see the reign of God.'

... still waiting for answers to my questions on this thread and this thread (although they are related questions).

mark9950

Where is he?I have never met him,have you?

If what you say is true than Christianity is full of it because they think he is as yet to come from heaven.

foursquareman

Can I just butt in for a second. Whether you believe the explanation or not, is up to you.

As a Christian myself, I need to understand what is written. We see that Jesus says that the some disciples will not die, before they see the "reign of God in power ". Each of the verses you posted say basically the same thing. What is this "reign of God". I don't believe that it is Jesus "coming back". I believe it was the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

I believe God's reign came in power on the day of pentecost, which would mean that Jesus was not wrong.

The verses you posted don't say that Christ will come back in the flesh, only that they will see the "reign of God".

This explanation does not change the meaning, or "interpret" the passage, but just explains it's meaning. Well, for me anyway.

Javaman

foursquareman, what you say goes against the verse from Matthew:

Matthew 16:28
Verily I say to you, there are certain of those standing here who shall not taste of death till they may see the Son of Man coming in his reign.'

How you choose to read Matthew is up to you but I see it as a stretch.

Godless Wonder

One interpretation you've no doubt seen around here if you've been paying attention (I'm surprised it hasn't already cropped up in this thread):

Jesus says that some standing there would see it, not experience it, before they "taste death". Some of them did see it. In a vision. Detailed in Revelations, specifically.

Oh, that Jesus, he's such a riddler.

Magus55

Why is that not a valid explanation? Because you don't like it?

Javaman

The problem, Magus, is that it then makes no sense to make such a statement. What is the point of Jesus' proclamation? If the point he's trying to make is that "Some of you shall see visions of the future wherein I reign," then I call that a nonsensical statement.

foursquareman

I understand what you are saying Javaman, that Mathew mentions that they shall see Jesus, but I still believe that he is talking about Jesus coming "in His reign" which I believe means when the Holy Spirit came in power.

But, yes, each of us is free to read Mathew in any way we like