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Old 03-16-2008, 03:30 PM   #141
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Uhh... I prefer to read the text book I have in front of me at the moment: Biology: The University and Diversity of Life than to get 'educated at the E/C forum
Are you sure about the title of the book you allegedly right in front of you?

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Ok, chimps and humans share a common ancestor which mutated in order to form modern chimps and humans.
Oversimplified but at least it doesn't establish ignorance of the subject.

I hope you are genuine in your desire to improve your understanding just as I hope you are genuine in your desire to avoid introducing an evolution tangent into a discussion in BC&H.
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Considering other relevant scripture, it should be obvious to anyone (other than diehard Christian apologists) that various biblical authors were laboring under the misconception that Jesus’ so-called “second coming” was going to occur during their lifetimes. A list of some of these passages (taken from http://home.nctv.com/jackjan/item47.htm ) follows:

Matt. 10:23 (Jesus will return to establish his kingdom before his disciples have preached in all the cities of Israel.)
Matt. 16:27-28 (Some of Jesus’ contemporaries will live to see him coming to “judge each person according to his deeds.”)
Matt. 23:36 (“Yes, all the accumulated judgment of the centuries shall break upon the heads of this very generation.” – The Living Bible Paraphrased)
Matt. 24:15 (When you see the destruction of the temple, remember that this is a fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy.) The prophecy in Dan. 12:1-2 includes the resurrection of the dead.
Mark 13:30 (Some of Jesus’ contemporaries will be alive to see “all these things” including angels gathering the elect from heaven and the entire earth, darkened sun and moon, etc.)
Luke 21:32 (Some of that generation will be alive to see “all things fulfilled.” This encompasses all things written by the prophets [vs. 22] which includes the resurrection of the dead [Dan. 12:1-2], splitting of the Mount of Olives [Zech. 14:4], world peace and justice [Isa. 2:4 and 11:6-9], and building of the third temple [Mic. 4:1 and Ezek. 40-45]. When these things occur you will know that your redemption is close at hand [vs. 28].)
Rom. 13:11-12 (Time is running out. Salvation will occur sooner than we thought.)
Rom. 16:20 (The god of peace will soon crush Satan.)
1 Cor. 7:26-31 (The remaining time is very short and the world is its present form will soon be gone. Things are so uncertain that it would be better not to get married.)
1 Cor. 10:11 (The behaviors of past sinners were given as examples to learn from in these last days as the world nears its end.)
1 Thess. 4:15-18 (The final judgment will occur when some of us are still alive, at which time we will ascend in the clouds to heaven.)
2 Tim. 4:1 (When Jesus comes to set up his kingdom, he will judge the living and the dead.)
Heb. 9:26 (Jesus has appeared at the end of the world to put way sin by sacrificing himself.)
Heb. 10:25-27 (Jesus’ day of returning [at which time God’s awful anger will consume his enemies] is approaching.)
Heb. 10:36-37 (If you want the reward of all things that God has promised you, be patient. His coming will not be delayed much longer.)
Jas. 5:7-9 (Be patient and don’t argue among yourselves. The great Judge is almost here.)
1 Pet. 1:19-20 (Jesus is manifest in these last times.)
1 Pet. 4:5-7 (God is ready to judge the living and the dead. Therefore, be thoughtful men of prayer because the end of all things is coming soon.)
1 Pet. 4:17 (The time has come for the final judgment.)
2 Pet. 3:10-14 (You should try to hasten the day when God will destroy the heavens and earth. While you are waiting for that time, try also to live without sinning.)
1 John 2:18 (We know it is the last times.)
Rev. 10:5-7 (God’s plans, as announced by the prophets, will be fulfilled without delay.)
Rev, 14:15-20 (People will be gathered by angels for the final judgment.)
Rev. 22:10 (The angel warned John that the time of fulfillment is near.)
Rev. 22:12 (Jesus will be coming soon to repay everyone according to his/her deeds.)

Only someone desperate to remove the stigma of false prophecy from the Bible would attempt to misconstrue these passages to mean that they are referring to something that is going to occur far into the distant future.
I'm sorry but this post (thanks Al) is compelling. Jesus has missed his appointment.
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Old 03-16-2008, 04:52 PM   #143
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Uhh... I prefer to read the text book I have in front of me at the moment: Biology: The University and Diversity of Life than to get 'educated at the E/C forum
Are you sure about the title of the book you allegedly right in front of you?
You are correct, sir, I made a typo. The title of the book is Biology: The Unity and Diversity of Life.
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Ok, chimps and humans share a common ancestor which mutated in order to form modern chimps and humans.
Oversimplified but at least it doesn't establish ignorance of the subject.

I hope you are genuine in your desire to improve your understanding just as I hope you are genuine in your desire to avoid introducing an evolution tangent into a discussion in BC&H.
Right the oversimplified response I gave was a response to your following comment.
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Please visit the E/C forum so that you might become educated regarding evolution and cease repeating this tired canard that serves only to emphasize one's ignorance. Chimps did not mutate to become humans. Chimps and humans share a common ancestor.
As well as a response to an Appeal to ridicule from the following person which apparently is not an issue.

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Some postulate that the Wandering Jew may in fact be Bigfoot (although most believe that Bigfoot is actually Cain).
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Considering other relevant scripture, it should be obvious to anyone (other than diehard Christian apologists) that various biblical authors were laboring under the misconception that Jesus’ so-called “second coming” was going to occur during their lifetimes. A list of some of these passages (taken from http://home.nctv.com/jackjan/item47.htm ) follows:

Matt. 10:23 (Jesus will return to establish his kingdom before his disciples have preached in all the cities of Israel.)
Matt. 16:27-28 (Some of Jesus’ contemporaries will live to see him coming to “judge each person according to his deeds.”)
Matt. 23:36 (“Yes, all the accumulated judgment of the centuries shall break upon the heads of this very generation.” – The Living Bible Paraphrased)
Matt. 24:15 (When you see the destruction of the temple, remember that this is a fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy.) The prophecy in Dan. 12:1-2 includes the resurrection of the dead.
Mark 13:30 (Some of Jesus’ contemporaries will be alive to see “all these things” including angels gathering the elect from heaven and the entire earth, darkened sun and moon, etc.)
Luke 21:32 (Some of that generation will be alive to see “all things fulfilled.” This encompasses all things written by the prophets [vs. 22] which includes the resurrection of the dead [Dan. 12:1-2], splitting of the Mount of Olives [Zech. 14:4], world peace and justice [Isa. 2:4 and 11:6-9], and building of the third temple [Mic. 4:1 and Ezek. 40-45]. When these things occur you will know that your redemption is close at hand [vs. 28].)
Rom. 13:11-12 (Time is running out. Salvation will occur sooner than we thought.)
Rom. 16:20 (The god of peace will soon crush Satan.)
1 Cor. 7:26-31 (The remaining time is very short and the world is its present form will soon be gone. Things are so uncertain that it would be better not to get married.)
1 Cor. 10:11 (The behaviors of past sinners were given as examples to learn from in these last days as the world nears its end.)
1 Thess. 4:15-18 (The final judgment will occur when some of us are still alive, at which time we will ascend in the clouds to heaven.)
2 Tim. 4:1 (When Jesus comes to set up his kingdom, he will judge the living and the dead.)
Heb. 9:26 (Jesus has appeared at the end of the world to put way sin by sacrificing himself.)
Heb. 10:25-27 (Jesus’ day of returning [at which time God’s awful anger will consume his enemies] is approaching.)
Heb. 10:36-37 (If you want the reward of all things that God has promised you, be patient. His coming will not be delayed much longer.)
Jas. 5:7-9 (Be patient and don’t argue among yourselves. The great Judge is almost here.)
1 Pet. 1:19-20 (Jesus is manifest in these last times.)
1 Pet. 4:5-7 (God is ready to judge the living and the dead. Therefore, be thoughtful men of prayer because the end of all things is coming soon.)
1 Pet. 4:17 (The time has come for the final judgment.)
2 Pet. 3:10-14 (You should try to hasten the day when God will destroy the heavens and earth. While you are waiting for that time, try also to live without sinning.)
1 John 2:18 (We know it is the last times.)
Rev. 10:5-7 (God’s plans, as announced by the prophets, will be fulfilled without delay.)
Rev, 14:15-20 (People will be gathered by angels for the final judgment.)
Rev. 22:10 (The angel warned John that the time of fulfillment is near.)
Rev. 22:12 (Jesus will be coming soon to repay everyone according to his/her deeds.)

Only someone desperate to remove the stigma of false prophecy from the Bible would attempt to misconstrue these passages to mean that they are referring to something that is going to occur far into the distant future.
I'm sorry but this post (thanks Al) is compelling. Jesus has missed his appointment.
Y-A-W-N what a scholarly source. At least I agree with him that the gospel was written in the first century. From your source:

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Jesus and/or the 1st century biblical authors who put words in Jesus' mouth was/were mistaken about what he/they thought would be an early return trip to vanquish the Romans, establish a kingdom of God on earth, and preside over the final judgment of mankind. Similarly, Preterists are mistaken if they think their mangling of biblical scripture has done anything to change the fact that Jesus missed his appointment. For more critical comment on Preterism, see the section on Preterism here and the following websites:
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Nevertheless it is clear that the understanding of the gospel writers concurs with the expectation of an impending second coming in their time.
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Considering other relevant scripture, it should be obvious to anyone (other than diehard Christian apologists) that various biblical authors were laboring under the misconception that Jesus’ so-called “second coming” was going to occur during their lifetimes. A list of some of these passages (taken from http://home.nctv.com/jackjan/item47.htm ) follows:

Matt. 10:23 (Jesus will return to establish his kingdom before his disciples have preached in all the cities of Israel.)
Matt. 16:27-28 (Some of Jesus’ contemporaries will live to see him coming to “judge each person according to his deeds.”)
Matt. 23:36 (“Yes, all the accumulated judgment of the centuries shall break upon the heads of this very generation.” – The Living Bible Paraphrased)
Matt. 24:15 (When you see the destruction of the temple, remember that this is a fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy.) The prophecy in Dan. 12:1-2 includes the resurrection of the dead.
Mark 13:30 (Some of Jesus’ contemporaries will be alive to see “all these things” including angels gathering the elect from heaven and the entire earth, darkened sun and moon, etc.)
Luke 21:32 (Some of that generation will be alive to see “all things fulfilled.” This encompasses all things written by the prophets [vs. 22] which includes the resurrection of the dead [Dan. 12:1-2], splitting of the Mount of Olives [Zech. 14:4], world peace and justice [Isa. 2:4 and 11:6-9], and building of the third temple [Mic. 4:1 and Ezek. 40-45]. When these things occur you will know that your redemption is close at hand [vs. 28].)
Rom. 13:11-12 (Time is running out. Salvation will occur sooner than we thought.)
Rom. 16:20 (The god of peace will soon crush Satan.)
1 Cor. 7:26-31 (The remaining time is very short and the world is its present form will soon be gone. Things are so uncertain that it would be better not to get married.)
1 Cor. 10:11 (The behaviors of past sinners were given as examples to learn from in these last days as the world nears its end.)
1 Thess. 4:15-18 (The final judgment will occur when some of us are still alive, at which time we will ascend in the clouds to heaven.)
2 Tim. 4:1 (When Jesus comes to set up his kingdom, he will judge the living and the dead.)
Heb. 9:26 (Jesus has appeared at the end of the world to put way sin by sacrificing himself.)
Heb. 10:25-27 (Jesus’ day of returning [at which time God’s awful anger will consume his enemies] is approaching.)
Heb. 10:36-37 (If you want the reward of all things that God has promised you, be patient. His coming will not be delayed much longer.)
Jas. 5:7-9 (Be patient and don’t argue among yourselves. The great Judge is almost here.)
1 Pet. 1:19-20 (Jesus is manifest in these last times.)
1 Pet. 4:5-7 (God is ready to judge the living and the dead. Therefore, be thoughtful men of prayer because the end of all things is coming soon.)
1 Pet. 4:17 (The time has come for the final judgment.)
2 Pet. 3:10-14 (You should try to hasten the day when God will destroy the heavens and earth. While you are waiting for that time, try also to live without sinning.)
1 John 2:18 (We know it is the last times.)
Rev. 10:5-7 (God’s plans, as announced by the prophets, will be fulfilled without delay.)
Rev, 14:15-20 (People will be gathered by angels for the final judgment.)
Rev. 22:10 (The angel warned John that the time of fulfillment is near.)
Rev. 22:12 (Jesus will be coming soon to repay everyone according to his/her deeds.)

Only someone desperate to remove the stigma of false prophecy from the Bible would attempt to misconstrue these passages to mean that they are referring to something that is going to occur far into the distant future.
I'm sorry but this post (thanks Al) is compelling. Jesus has missed his appointment.
"No man shall no the day nor hour"---Jesus

So you you actually know huh?
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The reason why their prophecies failed is because they set times and dates when the Lord and the Apostles made it clear that this is unknown. That is why Jesus said that the generation which see the signs (like the rise of the Anti-Christ) would be that generation. These signs could have appeared in any generation. Any one who says Christ will appear at a specific date is deceiving himself and others (such a thing will happen when the anti-christ arises). Date seting is contrary to what Jesus said "No man knows the day or hour." Ridicule all you want due to some failed prophecy of some nut who refused to obey what Jesus said. Shame on them...not on Him. <wave>
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So then you are predicting that "Aremegeddon" is to take place 60 years from now? 1948+120=2068 ...?
Oh! the irony of it!
(but 'hitman didn't break my "irony meter" this time, as I rebuilt it especially reinforced against the possibility of this eventuality.
Yes the signs are here I believe we are that generation as for a specific date? When the Beasts arises christians will know that Jesus will appear during sometime during his reign. We will know the season...but not the actual date or hour...which many a nut have tried to set.
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"No man shall no the day nor hour"---Jesus

So you you actually know huh?
Evidently Jesus didn't know the day, the hour or even the generation.
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As well as a response to an Appeal to ridicule from the following person which apparently is not an issue.

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Some postulate that the Wandering Jew may in fact be Bigfoot (although most believe that Bigfoot is actually Cain).
What I said was an example of the extreme contortions people use to give Biblical prophecy a veneer of plausibility. People actually have made the connection between Bigfoot and Cain:
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The Journal of Mormon History recently published a new investigation into stories suggesting that the giant Sasquatch monster is really Cain, the murderous second son of Adam and Eve.
The Bible seems to indicate that Jesus said he'd be returning pretty quickly. The Wandering Jew story arose in the Middle Ages to explain a passage in which Jesus says he'll be back before someone there is dead. And frankly, it makes just as much sense as many of the things that have been put forth seriously in this thread.
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As well as a response to an Appeal to ridicule from the following person which apparently is not an issue.
What I said was an example of the extreme contortions people use to give Biblical prophecy a veneer of plausibility. People actually have made the connection between Bigfoot and Cain:
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The Journal of Mormon History recently published a new investigation into stories suggesting that the giant Sasquatch monster is really Cain, the murderous second son of Adam and Eve.
The Bible seems to indicate that Jesus said he'd be returning pretty quickly. The Wandering Jew story arose in the Middle Ages to explain a passage in which Jesus says he'll be back before someone there is dead. And frankly, it makes just as much sense as many of the things that have been put forth seriously in this thread.
Jesus made no such indication...but just as He said even He didnt know...only that when certain signs appeared it would be close. This error you all claim is not backed by scripture but your own imaginations.
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