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Old 08-27-2004, 10:44 AM   #41
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Then you are "free" to sin as is convenient, or as you so desire (sounds like a motive to me).
Yeah, we hear that bit of nonsense from theists a lot.
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I'll take you up on that.

Here's my list of the bits of the Bible that are ACTUALLY inspired:



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You can figure out my "uninspired" list from that, I reckon.

And I reckon Angrillori's list is quite similar to mine.

Good for you! You've actually compiled a nonexistent list within a short time. Must be a record in there somewhere.
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Then you are "free" to sin as is convenient, or as you so desire (sounds like a motive to me).
Which then prompts one to ask:

Ok, if "being able to sin freely" is your motivation for believing the bible is just a hodgepodge, do you, Blake, sin freely?

And, more importantly, is there support for the position that:
Atheists sin more than christians.

If it is NOT the case that atheists commit more sins than christians, then it is safe to say that 'license to sin' is NOT in fact a motivation for believing the bible is not divinely inspired.
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Yeah, we hear that bit of nonsense from theists a lot.
I wonder why?
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Good for you! You've actually compiled a nonexistent list within a short time. Must be a record in there somewhere.
It's not a non-existent list. It's an empty list.

I'd post the list of the parts that are uninspired, but rather than that I will simply refer you to your personal copy of the Bible.
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I wonder why?
You tell me. You're the one that brought that bit of nonsense up.

(I, like all atheists I know, do not lack belief in the Bible or God because it "frees" us to "sin". That's nonsense.)
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Which then prompts one to ask:

Ok, if "being able to sin freely" is your motivation for believing the bible is just a hodgepodge, do you, Blake, sin freely?

And, more importantly, is there support for the position that:
Atheists sin more than christians.

If it is NOT the case that atheists commit more sins than christians, then it is safe to say that 'license to sin' is NOT in fact a motivation for believing the bible is divinely inspired.

All have sinned. The difference is that some choose to repent and make a sincere effort not to sin again while, for others, that effort seems to involve too much effort.
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All have sinned. The difference is that some choose to repent and make a sincere effort not to sin again while, for others, that effort seems to involve too much effort.
That's from a part of the bible that happens to be on my "uninspired" list, if you notice.
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All have sinned. The difference is that some choose to repent and make a sincere effort not to sin again while, for others, that effort seems to involve too much effort.
So, you have support for the position that atheists sin more than christians?

Please, provide!

Failing to do so, we can only assume your position is faulty, and that in fact it is not the case that atheists are motivated out of a desire to sin more.

Moreover, have you provided your methodology for determing which bits are inspired and which ain't yet? And I'm really quite curious as to whether that methodology would have been different 500 years ago. IOW would you have determined that the slavery parts were uninspired had you been born 500 years ago?
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So, you have support for the position that atheists sin more than christians?

Please, provide!

Failing to do so, we can only assume your position is faulty, and that in fact it is not the case that atheists are motivated out of a desire to sin more.

I'll write this in easier-to-read terms:

ALL, including atheists and Christians, can sin. ALL, including atheists and Christians, can repent IF THEY CHOOSE. The ONLY difference between the two is that the atheist would have to start believing in God, while the Christian already believes in God. Both can sin.

Atheists (conveniently) don't HAVE TO refer to it as "sin," though, because sin is not a part of their belief system. Meaning, the Commandments regarding killing, stealing, getting drunk, lying, adultery, etc., are no longer valid for Atheists so doing any of these does not have to be considered as sin. Therefore, atheists can do what is considered in the Bible as sin, without the guilty feeling.
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