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Keith&Co. · 08-28-2008, 09:16 AM

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Do you think this story also plays into the argument that all people are sinful?

Oh, yes.

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The same thing with the flood. When I was young my mom justified the flood in 2 ways. 1) God could read the hearts of even 1 day old infants and see that they were going to grow up to be just like their evil parents so he was justified in killing them.

Which pokes the Age of Accountability theory one righ tin the eye.

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I guess the parents would have felt so much better when their child died. Spared them that pain of separation because we all know watching your baby drown is so much easier.

Oh, the parents would have gone first. Standing on the roof, holding the kids up as high as you could, drowning while trying your best to keep the infant above the waters in case a benevolent god changed his mind at the last second.

Iznomneak · 08-28-2008, 09:25 AM

A short cartoon of the story:

Elisha The Cruel
http://infidelguy.com/modules.php?na...atch&id=19&d=2

chrisengland · 08-28-2008, 10:31 AM

One thing I,ve thought about the genocide stories in the Bible is that it seems hard to beleive that there was a whole city with little or no people that could be spared in it.
I,m not to sure how many genocide stories there are on the Bible but perhaps someone can tell me if they say a few were spared because they were redeemable or who hadn't commited the sins the city was being punished for.
Chris

bacht · 08-28-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisengland

One thing I,ve thought about the genocide stories in the Bible is that it seems hard to beleive that there was a whole city with little or no people that could be spared in it.
I,m not to sure how many genocide stories there are on the Bible but perhaps someone can tell me if they say a few were spared because they were redeemable or who hadn't commited the sins the city was being punished for.
Chris

There's a story about God planning to destroy a city, and one of the Hebrews pleading with God to avert his anger. God agrees that He will if there are at least five good people in the city. Sorry, I can't remember which city or which book.

Casper · 08-28-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith&Co.

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Continuing in this action will be wickedness. It could lead to the early termination of your time on Earth and an eternal separation from the God you may or may not believe in. Do you wish to continue taunting the bald prophet?

[]Yes
[]No

LOL! This thread brings in some welcome humor.

Casper · 08-28-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bacht

There's a story about God planning to destroy a city, and one of the Hebrews pleading with God to avert his anger. God agrees that He will if there are at least five good people in the city. Sorry, I can't remember which city or which book.

Abraham, in Genesis 18.

In the same humorous vein as the rest of the thread, here's a _fairly_ accurate version:

http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Genesis_18

Keith&Co. · 08-28-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bacht

There's a story about God planning to destroy a city, and one of the Hebrews pleading with God to avert his anger. God agrees that He will if there are at least five good people in the city. Sorry, I can't remember which city or which book.

Well, that's Abraham trying to talk God out of destroying Sodom.

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18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

18:24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

Dude, if i can find fifty good people, will you stay the slaughter?
God says, yeah, if you can find fifty, i'll stay my hand.
How about 45?
Yeah, if you can find 45.

And on they bargain, down to ten.
The modern version of God, an omniscient, wouldn't he have known that there was only one righteous man in the city? (Lot) So, isn't he bargaining with all the aces up his own beard?

Anyway, they only find one. And so God destroys the city. One has to wonder if Abraham had bargained down to one, would God have agreed?

Toto · 08-28-2008, 01:22 PM

The Friendly Atheist was disturbed by Illustrated Stories From The Bible (or via: amazon.co.uk). The cover is a bit graphic. The comments on the thread show some imaginative excuses.

Tars Tarkus · 08-28-2008, 05:55 PM

When I was a little kid and had done something wrong my father would trot out this story to show that God will kill kids, too.
I was always puzzled how 2 bears could manage to kill 42 youths. Didn't they try to run? Or were they trapped at a dead end? Paralyzed with fear? The bears must have been extremely worn out after all of this killing also.
But wait, goddidit.

WishboneDawn · 08-28-2008, 06:28 PM

Personally, I think the story was written by a bald preist who'd gotten some ribbing from local kids.

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08-28-2008, 09:25 AM	#12
Iznomneak Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: South Florida, USA Posts: 159	A short cartoon of the story: Elisha The Cruel http://infidelguy.com/modules.php?na...atch&id=19&d=2

08-28-2008, 10:31 AM	#13
chrisengland Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bristol' England Posts: 2,678	One thing I,ve thought about the genocide stories in the Bible is that it seems hard to beleive that there was a whole city with little or no people that could be spared in it. I,m not to sure how many genocide stories there are on the Bible but perhaps someone can tell me if they say a few were spared because they were redeemable or who hadn't commited the sins the city was being punished for. Chris

08-28-2008, 01:22 PM	#18
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	The Friendly Atheist was disturbed by Illustrated Stories From The Bible (or via: amazon.co.uk). The cover is a bit graphic. The comments on the thread show some imaginative excuses.

08-28-2008, 05:55 PM	#19
Tars Tarkus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 604	When I was a little kid and had done something wrong my father would trot out this story to show that God will kill kids, too. I was always puzzled how 2 bears could manage to kill 42 youths. Didn't they try to run? Or were they trapped at a dead end? Paralyzed with fear? The bears must have been extremely worn out after all of this killing also. But wait, goddidit.

08-28-2008, 06:28 PM	#20
WishboneDawn Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 4,287	Personally, I think the story was written by a bald preist who'd gotten some ribbing from local kids.

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