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WishboneDawn · 11-29-2006, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ELECTROGOD

Then for you a writer cannot teach you something through his/her book which he/she wrote for that purpose?

Damn you. Be quiet. I don't want to think to hard about this right now. Freakin' atheists always ruining things with their "questions."

That's a good question and makes me wonder if my anal zeal hasn't dug me a hole.

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1. To impart knowledge or skill to: teaches children.
2. To provide knowledge of; instruct in: teaches French.
3. To condition to a certain action or frame of mind: teaching youngsters to be self-reliant.
4. To cause to learn by example or experience: an accident that taught me a valuable lesson.
5. To advocate or preach: teaches racial and religious tolerance.
6. To carry on instruction on a regular basis in: taught high school for many years.

From the Free Dictionary.

Certainly some of those can fit a book.

steamer · 11-29-2006, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WishboneDawn

Do you think it's an all or nothing proposition? That we can't use some good old criticism to find out what is likely instruction for a specific church and what is to be more generally applied?

One could make an argument that a Christian church is where Christian ideals are practiced. If Paul was indeed speaking of ideals in his church then it stands to reason that Christians should always seek those ideals, whether in church or not.

ksen · 11-29-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by steamer

No, I'm arguing that every thing Paul wrote was written to some church or church leader. It appears to be your argument that we pick and choose only those passages we like from among those writings as being applicable to anyone outside a church and not a church leader.

No, I'm saying that if he is writing to a pastor about how to run a church then that's the application.

If he's writing to a church in general about the Christian life then that's how it is to be applied.

ksen · 11-29-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by xaxxat

I agree. None of that crap is addressed to me. I dismiss it the way xians dismiss the Koran...

If you're not a Christian then you are correct: Paul wasn't writing to you.

WishboneDawn · 11-29-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by steamer

One could make an argument that a Christian church is where Christian ideals are practiced. If Paul was indeed speaking of ideals in his church then it stands to reason that Christians should always seek those ideals, whether in church or not.

Yes and I can see some christians making that argument. It doesn't appeal to me though because I'm a liberal cherry picker.

But that Paul (if it was, there seems to be debate on that) was addressing a specific situation with Timothy is also a fair argument. And for those of us who don't believe the bible was authored by God, the fact that the letter was written at a time when women had a certain station and we live in a world where that's no longer the case gives us reasonable ground to reject the advice given to Timothy about women.

sharon45 · 11-29-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ksen

The Bible teaches no such thing.

Well the bible differs with you.

Again I put forth, why does jesus annouce that he is humble? Shouldn't his words, actions, and demeanor be enough to judge if he really was humble or not?

sharon45 · 11-29-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WishboneDawn

Now see, I'd argue a textbook doesn't teach either. It too simply lies there.

It doesn't surprise me that you would try to argue that, which would be quite entertaining, but not really on issue with this thread.

Jesus annouces that he is humble. For a supposed man of many miracles, this would be one of his mightiest tricks.

sharon45 · 11-29-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by xaxxat

I agree. None of that crap is addressed to me. I dismiss it the way xians dismiss the Koran...

Or the bible.

No Robots · 11-29-2006, 02:30 PM

There is no humility in Christ. How could there be? What does he have to be humble about? But nor is there any of the craven pride of the little man. No, Christ's pride is the pride of the perfect, the absolute, the all consuming mystic who cries: "I and the Father are One!"

WishboneDawn · 11-29-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sharon45

It doesn't surprise me that you would try to argue that, which would be quite entertaining, but not really on issue with this thread.

Jesus annouces that he is humble. For a supposed man of many miracles, this would be one of his mightiest tricks.

See my post to Electrogod on that matter.

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No Robots Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Edmonton Posts: 5,679	There is no humility in Christ. How could there be? What does he have to be humble about? But nor is there any of the craven pride of the little man. No, Christ's pride is the pride of the perfect, the absolute, the all consuming mystic who cries: "I and the Father are One!"

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