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Old 12-27-2005, 02:15 PM   #21
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Greetings, AZSuperman. May your studies of the Holy Qur'an lead you along the path of wisdom and righteousness. Through his greatest prophet, Mohammed (pbuh), Allah has given humanity a perfect testament to His divine will.

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Have some of the passages in the Qu'ran been abrogated?
NO, not a single surah has been abrogated. As the Noble Qur'an itself explains, at times one perfect verse may be placed for another. But both are the words of the eternal Allah. An example from our Hebrew brothers: The Hebrews' Talmud (b. Eruvin 13b) records a seeming dispute between two learned authorities, Hillel and Shammai. The dispute went unresolved for three years. The gemara goes on to say that a bat qol -- a voice from God -- manifested, saying, eilu v'eilu divrei elohim chayyim hen = "these and these are the words of the living God."
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How many angels talked to Mary?
Only one angel spoke to Maryum (pbuh). The versus from Al-Imran (3:42-45) use a "plural of enlargement" in describing the angelic visitor, in keeping with the importance of his message, which came from Allah. From 19:16-19 we learn that it was in fact one angel; this underscores the significance of the enlargement in 3:42-45. It is, of course, impossible for those not well versed in the Arabic language to apprehend the nuances of the Qur'anic text.
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What was man made from?
Indeed, the Holy Qur'an reveals that life originated from water, as our best scientists now acknowledge. This understanding is utterly lacking in the now defective Hebrew and Christian scriptures. The statement that man is made from "clay" is metaphorical. It teaches us that man was molded by Allah. The reference to "dust" is also a metaphor, and one which is retained even by the corrupt Hebrew and Christian Scriptures. It also serves to remind us that, in addition to water, our bodies contain various other substances (the "dust"). Thus we see how the Holy Qur'an contains detailed scientific knowledge over a thousand years before it would be understood using western scientific techniques.

Peace to you, AZSuperman. May your studies in the Noble Qur'an continue, for they will bring you revelation without end.

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that's it!!!! that's all!!! that's all the time and effort you are willing to put into debunking radical Islam, the religion which led to the murder of over 3,000 Americans in their work place? and now its back to attacking Christianity 24/7 right? arent you concerned about radical islam? arent you concerned about the poor misguided islamic worshippers?....just fundamentalist Christians huh? Gosh.....we are honored....... the other religious texts and their leaders just dont seem to hold the power, the fixation, the "jones'en" drive that the Bible does! apiko..the first step in addiciton is admitting it publically..c'mon...you can do it!
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mata leao, you are overwrought.
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Old 12-27-2005, 08:43 PM   #24
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Can any Christian provide evidence that there is so much as a single error in the Holy Qur'an? I will defend the noble Qur'an using time-tested methods of Christian fundamentalist hermeneutics.
You had me going there, Api. It wouldn't have been the weirdest Muslim OP we've ever gotten. Would have been even more convincing in mispelled/hard to comprehend English-as-a-second-language. You have captured the flavor, however.
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Old 12-27-2005, 08:46 PM   #25
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Actually, several posters here,if I recall correctly, posited that very statement! River comes to mind, and I can't remember the others, though I'm sure you can find them in NAR&P.
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Tomboy, my intention was not to masquerade as a muslim, but rather to demonstrate that, by using the same dishonest harmonizing hermeneutic as Christian fundamentalists apply to their Bible, it is easy to prove virtually any text is divine and perfect.
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that's it!!!! that's all!!! that's all the time and effort you are willing to put into debunking radical Islam, the religion which led to the murder of over 3,000 Americans in their work place?
I agree.

Better time could be spent debunking Christianity with its long and bloody history including the religious wars of the 16th century, the pogroms, the madness of the childrens' crusade, the Inquistition, or--more recently--the mutual killing of Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland, the same kind of mutual massacres by Catholics and Orthodox in former Yugoslavia--and on and on and on.

You are absolutely correct mata leao. No need to wast time and effort on Islam when it has such a long, long way to go to catch up with Christian carnage.
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:35 PM   #28
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Somewhere I heard that contradictions in the Qu'ran are handled by saying that Allah can change his mind, so the last statement is the one that holds.

If true, that's a big step ahead of the fundies' attempts to defend every contradiction in the bible.
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:13 PM   #29
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There are NO contradictions in the Qur'an.

If there is any verse that perplexes you please do not hesitate...

however do NOT bombard me with a zillion verses...that is disrespectful...


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The Koran says you can beat your wife. I really do not want to hear your asinine apologetic defense of this verse or the absurd "talking ants" verse or of the war monering and hate filled verses "do not take Jews and Christians as friends" ect. ect..

1) The Qur'an does NOT promote beating your wife. The Tafsir states

that were you beat your wife with anything more potent than "grass blades"

it can and will be held against you. Thus, the Qur'an is providing a legal

precedent that wives can use to bring their husband to court....

if they were abusive...


2) Prophet Solomon (pbuh) communicated with the ants via Synaesthetic

Intersubjectivity. This is indeed a scientific phenomena.


3) Every verse in the Qur'an pertaining to the Art of War is provided within

the context of "Defensive war". Offensive wars are NOT permitted in Islam.


4) The arabic Qur'an translates to :

Do NOT take Jews and Christians as your Protectors i.e in a political alliance.

It does NOT say "friends". The translation is an oversimplification.

The Qur'an permits Muslims to marry Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians

and Sabeans...So it obvious that they can and should be your friends as well.
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