mountainman

It looks as though the earlier Islamic Quranic compilers agreed with the gnostic heretics (such as we find in the NHC) that Jesus did not die. This non dying (non-living?) Jesus may have been common knowledge outside the jurisdiction of the orthodox heresiologists in the Roman (Church) Empire.



That so-called "fact" remains to be seen.

sotto voce

But what did a gnostic know?

If only the emperors had known that!

Not unless we can provide a sensible reason for it not to be treated with contempt.

mountainman

Whoever they were they knew what it took to be known as a vile heretic by the official Constantinian canonical heresiologists. Their knowledge might be summarised as an UNBELIEF in the canonical Jesus story. Such unbelief was not becoming to the centralized state monotheistic canonical church.




Constantine was a mocker. (The History of Aurelius Victor)


It was once regarded as anathema to the heresiologists, and it was listed in some of the earliest versions of the "Index Librorum Prohibitorum". We do not know who wrote and preserved it, and why they risked their lives to do so. It represents part of the series of evidence concerning "Christian Origins" classified as the "NT Apocrypha" (the "Hidden" books were "hidden" because they were forbidden). It represents historical evidence to be explained in the whole history of Christian origins. But perhaps you can explain its appearance, when it was first authored, when it was later redacted, the names of the author and redactor, and their alliances, etc.

sotto voce

Not before Constantine, they didn't. What did they know before he darkened the world?

mountainman

They knew Plato, Pythagoras, Hippocrates, Euclid, Ptolemy, Aesop, Homer, Apollonius of Tyana and others. Constantine suppressed the Greek intellectual tradition where it languished in a christian hell for over 1000 years. We have yet to perceive the complete historical reality of this suppression.

sotto voce

So that's why they faded.

What does this have to do with this thread about supposed Islamic impact on Christianity?

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

What a fond dream.

Christians would know they are right, just from the times they get blamed for the crimes of their 'Christian' persecutors. Before the absurdities of Islam are considered.

Historic? Maybe Christians experience it every day.

mountainman

they are essentially people of the book like the muslims.

some people get obsessed by stories and story books.

particularly some publishers

I like the hobbit.

sotto voce

Atheists, strangely enough.

mountainman

The original thread was about the discovery of another non canonical gospel called the Gospel of Barnabas.

Discoveries introduce new evidence into the picture.

sotto voce

Then why are we discussing Plato, Pythagoras, Hippocrates, Euclid, Ptolemy, Aesop, Homer, Apollonius of Tyana and others?