sotto voce

Allah the Merciful and All-knowing is just a teensy bit slow to put people out of their misery, isn't he. That little monkey Paul upsets sundry Jews, silversmiths and even fat patricians, ferchrissakes, with his talk of the offence of the cross; while Allah sits back for six hundred years before telling us, "Sorry, a little misunderstanding." Then follows much bloodshed in getting the revised version into circulation, though of course still held to be deeply suspicious by survivors. Now we get the final proof, 1400 years later. Just brilliant. The forethought. The strategy. What a merciful and wise deity.

mrsonic

your version of yhwh has yhwh acting like a dumb a ss god. he gave tough laws to the jews which he knew they were unable to keep and then later on he got himself murdered because the jews broke his laws which he knew they were unable to keep.


you're talking about forcing the jews to worship a murdered god on a cross?

there was always a cloud over the crucifixion of your god. jews, according to the nt, forgot about the jewish crowds which had shouted "crucify him, his blood be upon us and our children"


my jewish friends tell me that the laws in the torah and thier rituals are better than jesus's blood and flesh which you use to make your god happy.

it was your gods fault for not telling the jews in the begining that his human flesh and blood was more important than rituals/laws which he gave.

sotto voce

Jews don't think so.

Oh, isn't he funny. Christianity is too tough, because Christians can't even frown at someone the wrong way, so we have to crack jokes about them.

The old ones are the best, eh.

Meaning that they took permanent responsibility off Rome for Jesus' death. But Christians do not lay particular blame on Jews. They say, "There, but for the grace of God, go I." The extraordinary irony from the biblical perspective is of course that Jesus' blood pays for the sins of Jews and everyone else.

Toto

Says the poster who follows a god whose return has been delayed for about 2000 years so far while his followers still try to figure out what he meant. . .

sotto voce - I suspect that most of us in this forum read your attempts to witness to your faith with amusement, but those last few posts are just a little too off topic.

Please don't create extra work for your moderator, who will have to split those off and move them to the appropriate forum.

sotto voce

Retaliatory remarks made as an edit? Oh, dear. Personal, too. :constern01:

sotto voce

I'm sure there is a wish to re-phrase that appropriately.

sotto voce

Falsehood.

mrsonic

i really do not understand christian obsession with the bloody murder of thier god in flesh. any thought of rescuing thier god from crucifixion or saving thier god pisses them off. sotto is one good example. i am sure if i tried to save his god, sotto would try his best to prevent me from becoming the saviour of his god, because in his salvation it is important for him to watch his god get violently gang banged by pagan authourities. the violence is what appeases christians

sotto voce

The central importance of sacrifice is found in the stories of Adam and Eve, of Cain and Abel, of Noah, of the promise to Abraham, of Abraham and Isaac, the promises to Isaac and Jacob, the pre-figurement of Joseph, the Passover in Egypt. After that the Israelites became rebels, and were given law rather than be destroyed, because of those promises. And even then, the massive ritual law was founded on sacrifice.

That should never be forgotten.

mrsonic

do you really believe that when the jews were burning animals to god they saw that they were burning god to god/ jesus' bloody murder?

do you really believe that yhwh accepted thier offerings because he saw that the jews had yhwhs murder in mind when they made their sacrifices?



yhwh did not like cains vegetables because they were not the BEST of his vegetables.nothing to do with blood or flesh.everything to do with quality.