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Chris Weimer · 08-07-2007, 02:03 PM

Can someone please tell me how Psalms or Proverbs is a narrative? If it isn't, then it's not myth, per the definition. Anyone claiming that the Bible is myth, then, obviously ignored the very first part of the definition, either that or they don't know jack about what the Bible actually is. Good to see other users keen, though, and actually acknowledge that the whole Bible isn't myth, even though some sections may be so.

figuer · 08-07-2007, 03:26 PM

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Apparently not, since some users said I pwned you, and other users were sorely mistaken about what I actually said, and in fact when explaining how I was wrong actually agreed with me from the get go, presumably since they were under the false impression that you were actually representing my opinion accurately, instead of giving a strawman. But this is what happens when n00bs don't read the whole thread.

Sorry Weimer, but this doesn't sell. Your scholarly quote regarding the definition of myth clearly fitted the Bible. Thus you lost the ongoing debate.

It seems that you are the one that refuses to read the whole thread. You also refuse to dialogue. To you debates are about "pwning" which is childish and absurd. To me it is about sharing information, learning and refining positions. Of course I will defend my positions, but I will also modify or expand them if it is reasonable to do so. I have explained many times that my position is not that every single book or section of the Bible is a standard myth, rather that the book as a whole has as its purpose the support and exposition of a mythological world view, and thus as a whole it can be regarded primarily as mythology. It seems you choose to ignore this, ever returning with the absurd claim that I say that every single part of the Bible is mythological in character. The fact that I have many times throughout this thread exposed the idea that the best way to publish a Judeo-Christian Mythology would be through a Biblical compendium that excludes many books (such as Proverbs, Psalms, the Apostolic Letters) should inform you that such is not the case.

Chris Weimer · 08-07-2007, 03:40 PM

figuer - please answer my query. You seem to be ignoring it. The quote did not support your conclusions at all.

How is Psalms or Proverbs a narrative?

It's not, thus those two books don't fit with the definition. Others here have agreed with me, from Amaleq13, to Chidori, to khalimirov, to openlyatheist. The only one who disagreed is ShadowGryffindor, who for some reason thinks the whole Bible is a prose narrative. Since it's not, and that's an indisputable fact, you lost. End of story.

The suggestion now is for you to actually read the Bible. Until you've done so, I'm ignoring you for the remainder. Good day.

No Robots · 08-07-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by figuer

I have explained many times that my position is not that every single book or section of the Bible is a standard myth, rather that the book as a whole has as its purpose the support and exposition of a mythological world view, and thus as a whole it can be regarded primarily as mythology.

And I think people are trying to explain that that is an incorrect reading, and that the Bible is instead uniquely anti-mythological:

Here the free, lyrical soaring of the soul is unhindered by mythology.—Brunner, Our Christ, p. 308.

Spanky · 08-07-2007, 03:48 PM

Spanky · 08-07-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by figuer

I have explained many times that my position is not that every single book or section of the Bible is a standard myth, rather that the book as a whole has as its purpose the support and exposition of a mythological world view, and thus as a whole it can be regarded primarily as mythology.

And I think people are trying to explain that that is an incorrect reading, and that the Bible is instead uniquely anti-mythological:

Here the free, lyrical soaring of the soul is unhindered by mythology.—Brunner, Our Christ, p. 308.

What is the meaning of "is?"
How is the Bible "anti-mythological?" I look forward to your response!

Spanky · 08-07-2007, 04:10 PM

BTW, Chris, sorry I make your blood pressure rise. You are too young to have any blood pressure problems.

Nonetheless, I do have a little problem with you waving your hands at Joseph Campbell. I don't know how many times I feel the need to say this, but, you remind me of when I was young. I used to say that this musician and that musician sucked and I wouldn't give them the time of day. While doing this, I never did anything myself. I just lived my life judging others while at the same time thinking I was a God. I may have had faster fingers, I may have been able to do things that those I judged couldn't. But you know what? They had substance, I didn't. How my attitude has changed!
The same goes with you and Joseph Campbell. Yes, Joseph is a little. . .well, out there. But he played a major role in my deconstruction. Actually, he was my saviour. So when you just brush him off as irrelevant I take notice that you have not actually contributed anything either. Actually, nothing.
Joseph Campbell was and is not irrelevant. He has contributed a lot to our understanding about ALL of the myths of the world...including the Judeo-Christian myth. I know not of any other man that has spent so much time diving into all and every myth known to man, even down to lowly tribes in desolate areas. So please, show a little respect. If you can not, then don't let the rest of us know how you feel, o.k.?
Resume!

Chris Weimer · 08-07-2007, 04:20 PM

Oh, sure, ask for respect when it comes to something you personally hold dear, but of course, no one gives a rats ass when people like figuer don't respect something that billions of people hold dear. Respect is not given. It is earned.

Spanky · 08-07-2007, 04:23 PM

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Oh, sure, ask for respect when it comes to something you personally hold dear, but of course, no one gives a rats ass when people like figuer don't respect something that billions of people hold dear. Respect is not given. It is earned.

Good point. I accept that. Do you accept mine?

Chris Weimer · 08-07-2007, 05:11 PM

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Good point. I accept that. Do you accept mine?

I'll be waiting for you to make the case for Joseph Campbell.

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08-07-2007, 02:03 PM	#121
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Can someone please tell me how Psalms or Proverbs is a narrative? If it isn't, then it's not myth, per the definition. Anyone claiming that the Bible is myth, then, obviously ignored the very first part of the definition, either that or they don't know jack about what the Bible actually is. Good to see other users keen, though, and actually acknowledge that the whole Bible isn't myth, even though some sections may be so.

08-07-2007, 03:40 PM	#123
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	figuer - please answer my query. You seem to be ignoring it. The quote did not support your conclusions at all. How is Psalms or Proverbs a narrative? It's not, thus those two books don't fit with the definition. Others here have agreed with me, from Amaleq13, to Chidori, to khalimirov, to openlyatheist. The only one who disagreed is ShadowGryffindor, who for some reason thinks the whole Bible is a prose narrative. Since it's not, and that's an indisputable fact, you lost. End of story. The suggestion now is for you to actually read the Bible. Until you've done so, I'm ignoring you for the remainder. Good day.

08-07-2007, 03:48 PM	#125
Spanky Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: US Posts: 1,216

08-07-2007, 04:10 PM	#127
Spanky Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: US Posts: 1,216	BTW, Chris, sorry I make your blood pressure rise. You are too young to have any blood pressure problems. Nonetheless, I do have a little problem with you waving your hands at Joseph Campbell. I don't know how many times I feel the need to say this, but, you remind me of when I was young. I used to say that this musician and that musician sucked and I wouldn't give them the time of day. While doing this, I never did anything myself. I just lived my life judging others while at the same time thinking I was a God. I may have had faster fingers, I may have been able to do things that those I judged couldn't. But you know what? They had substance, I didn't. How my attitude has changed! The same goes with you and Joseph Campbell. Yes, Joseph is a little. . .well, out there. But he played a major role in my deconstruction. Actually, he was my saviour. So when you just brush him off as irrelevant I take notice that you have not actually contributed anything either. Actually, nothing. Joseph Campbell was and is not irrelevant. He has contributed a lot to our understanding about ALL of the myths of the world...including the Judeo-Christian myth. I know not of any other man that has spent so much time diving into all and every myth known to man, even down to lowly tribes in desolate areas. So please, show a little respect. If you can not, then don't let the rest of us know how you feel, o.k.? Resume!

08-07-2007, 04:20 PM	#128
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Oh, sure, ask for respect when it comes to something you personally hold dear, but of course, no one gives a rats ass when people like figuer don't respect something that billions of people hold dear. Respect is not given. It is earned.

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