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figuer · 08-02-2007, 01:05 PM

Does anyone know if the Bible has ever been published under the title, Judeo-Christian Mythology?

If it hasn't I think it should. Would help putting Christians in their proper place.

Chris Weimer · 08-02-2007, 01:20 PM

First of all, it wouldn't be a very good buy, since there's a ton of Jewish and Christian mythology that isn't included in the Bible. The amount in both religions would be enough for several volumes, most likely divided by whether it was Jewish (first two volumes) or Christian (second two volumes).

Moreover, much of the Bible isn't mythology. Mythology is actually a very small subsection in the Bible.

And what "proper" place is that? <edit>. "Put them in their proper place" - what, are you some macho man now wanting to put Christians in their proper place? What the fuck sort of abuse is that? Not to mention that not even all Christians or Jews believe in Biblical mythology.

And finally, any good mythological encyclopedia has at least Jewish mythology in it, so you're a little late on that.

This is the worst sort of bigotry - no one compiles the Vedas and labels it "Hindoo Mythology".

figuer · 08-02-2007, 01:38 PM

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And what "proper" place is that? <edit>. "Put them in their proper place" - what, are you some macho man now wanting to put Christians in their proper place? What the fuck sort of abuse is that?

I can't believe this reaction. Its unnecessary and tangential. In their 'proper place' means that their believes are correctly characterised as mythological, and thus their claims of "revealed truth" further weakened.

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This is the worst sort of bigotry - no one compiles the Vedas and labels it "Hindoo Mythology".

It is not bigotry, it is scholarship. Why not publish the Vedas as Hindu Mythology? I think it would be appropriate. The Koran also should be published under "Arabic-Islamic mythology"

It seems you follow the line of political correctness that considers religious sensibilities should be catered to.

Toto · 08-02-2007, 01:54 PM

Hindu_mythology

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Hindu mythology is a term used by modern scholarship for a large body of Indian literature that details the lives and times of legendary personalities, deities and divine incarnations on earth interspersed with often large sections of philosophical and ethical discourse. Despite connotations of fiction in common usage, the term myth, in theological and academic studies, does not necessarily imply that a narrative is untrue. The use of the term mythology is a western construct applied primarily to non-Judeo-Christian religious literature [citation needed].

It must be noted that many of the topics that fall under the category of Hindu mythology are cherished beliefs of Hindus. All ancient religions contain stories that are accepted as literal truth by some, and as philosophical or allegorical insights by others. Thus, the biblical stories may be similarly construed as Jewish or Christian mythology.

The mythological literature is intertwined with the ethos of ancient Vedic religion and Vedic civilization, and fundamentally constructed with Hindu systems of philosophy.

OK, people do compile books of Hindu mythology. People who are not bigots also compile books of Christian or Jewish mythology.

There is no need for the overreaction here.

figuer · 08-02-2007, 03:46 PM

Although I would like to see the entire Bible published as Judeo-Christian Mythology, a more practical approach would be to make a compendium, containing the main sections of the story, from the creation, to Israel, to Jesus, to the end of the world, but which would exclude all material not pertinent to the main plot like the lists of laws, Psalms, Proverbs, most of the Prophets, the Apostolic letters and the like. It could be solved in perhaps eight main "books":

1. Genesis (which would include an added section pertaining to the fall of Satan)
2. Exodus (which would include necessary sections from the rest of the Pentateuch)
3. Chronicles of the Judges (from Joshua to Samuel perhaps grafting Job)
4: Chronicles of the kings (summary of I-II Kings and I-II Chronicles and certain prophets)
5: Chronicles of the Exiles (from the destruction of the temple, Daniel, Esther, to the Macabees and certain prophets)
6: Deeds of the Christ (summary of the four Gospels)
7: Deeds of the Apostles
8: Apocalypses

BALDUCCI · 08-04-2007, 07:00 PM

Who would publish this ? For what reason ? For what audience ? All things are possible, but there has to be a logical framework for something as planned as this

figuer · 08-04-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BALDUCCI

Who would publish this ? For what reason ? For what audience ? All things are possible, but there has to be a logical framework for something as planned as this

I consider it is in the interest of those that have a secularist agenda to publish Judeo-Christian Mythology as such, and not as "the Bible/the revealed word of God". In academic terms it is actually an imperative. While the Bible is constantly referred to as "Judeo-Christian Mythology" in atheistic/academic circles, it is not a concept that general society grasps. I think that for Christians to hold a book titled "Judeo-Christian Mythology" and find that it is word for word what they consider their holy scriptures would be a severe psychological blow.

Chris Weimer · 08-05-2007, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

OK, people do compile books of Hindu mythology. People who are not bigots also compile books of Christian or Jewish mythology.

There is no need for the overreaction here.

No one takes the Rig Veda and stamps "Hindu Mythology" on it.

Chris Weimer · 08-05-2007, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by figuer

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Originally Posted by BALDUCCI

Who would publish this ? For what reason ? For what audience ? All things are possible, but there has to be a logical framework for something as planned as this

I consider it is in the interest of those that have a secularist agenda to publish Judeo-Christian Mythology as such, and not as "the Bible/the revealed word of God". In academic terms it is actually an imperative. While the Bible is constantly referred to as "Judeo-Christian Mythology" in atheistic/academic circles, it is not a concept that general society grasps. I think that for Christians to hold a book titled "Judeo-Christian Mythology" and find that it is word for word what they consider their holy scriptures would be a severe psychological blow.

What academic refers to the "Bible" as Judeo-Christian mythology?

BALDUCCI · 08-05-2007, 05:24 AM

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I think that for Christians to hold a book titled "Judeo-Christian Mythology" and find that it is word for word what they consider their holy scriptures would be a severe psychological blow.

I imagine that the faithful would simply ignore it, or see it as a petty provocation. I dont see it changing anything. Many Christians are quite happy to regard whole swathes of the Bible as symbolic in some fashion, and the really die-hard fundamentalist/literalists, dont read anything, not even the bible. They believe what they hear from some jerk on TV.

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figuer Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico Posts: 7,984	Judeo-Christian Mythology Does anyone know if the Bible has ever been published under the title, Judeo-Christian Mythology? If it hasn't I think it should. Would help putting Christians in their proper place.

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Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	First of all, it wouldn't be a very good buy, since there's a ton of Jewish and Christian mythology that isn't included in the Bible. The amount in both religions would be enough for several volumes, most likely divided by whether it was Jewish (first two volumes) or Christian (second two volumes). Moreover, much of the Bible isn't mythology. Mythology is actually a very small subsection in the Bible. And what "proper" place is that? <edit>. "Put them in their proper place" - what, are you some macho man now wanting to put Christians in their proper place? What the fuck sort of abuse is that? Not to mention that not even all Christians or Jews believe in Biblical mythology. And finally, any good mythological encyclopedia has at least Jewish mythology in it, so you're a little late on that. This is the worst sort of bigotry - no one compiles the Vedas and labels it "Hindoo Mythology".

08-02-2007, 03:46 PM	#5
figuer Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico Posts: 7,984	Although I would like to see the entire Bible published as Judeo-Christian Mythology, a more practical approach would be to make a compendium, containing the main sections of the story, from the creation, to Israel, to Jesus, to the end of the world, but which would exclude all material not pertinent to the main plot like the lists of laws, Psalms, Proverbs, most of the Prophets, the Apostolic letters and the like. It could be solved in perhaps eight main "books": 1. Genesis (which would include an added section pertaining to the fall of Satan) 2. Exodus (which would include necessary sections from the rest of the Pentateuch) 3. Chronicles of the Judges (from Joshua to Samuel perhaps grafting Job) 4: Chronicles of the kings (summary of I-II Kings and I-II Chronicles and certain prophets) 5: Chronicles of the Exiles (from the destruction of the temple, Daniel, Esther, to the Macabees and certain prophets) 6: Deeds of the Christ (summary of the four Gospels) 7: Deeds of the Apostles 8: Apocalypses

08-04-2007, 07:00 PM	#6
BALDUCCI Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: scotland Posts: 365	Who would publish this ? For what reason ? For what audience ? All things are possible, but there has to be a logical framework for something as planned as this

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