outhouse

A poverty stricken traveling, starving, handworker, teacher/healer who was a peaceful zealot from Galilee who caused a disturbance in the temple due to the roman infection and corruption in the temple, and was put on a cross

Is the best one we have with the highest probability of historicity for a HJ



Nothing else even comes close as a posssible replacement hypothesis, and most replacement MJ are worse then a random guess based on shoddy work by untrained authors.

spin

Stop making up crap. You're as bad as any mythicist or historicist.

gurugeorge

Horses for courses, but to me your above sounds ridiculous. I'd rather have plain old "political zealot" than that ad hoc hodge-podge. It looks like you're just picking the plums that please you from the pie of the Jesus story.

But of course that's what every HJ proponent of every variety of HJ does. "Jesus" is a magic mirror wherein everyone sees their preferred ideal, and thankfully the gospel Jesus is so full of all sorts of (sometimes contradictory) traits, that anyone can participate in that fun game.

O wait ...

outhouse

you dont have enough education on the subject to be able to make that claim



and you have zero skills at a rebuttle, as a matter of fact, you cant discount a statement I said

outhouse

fair enough bud.


lets break it down then and attack the message, not the messenger.



as far as a peaceful zealot.

we know he was raised in Galilee, that had a heavy population of zealots, while jesus was a child there was a tax war in Galilee, jesus would have seen that violence against romans was suicide.

all through the bible there is mention that jesus didnt pay taxs.

he was put on the scross for tax evasion according to Luke 23

and questioned shortly before his death why he didnt pay taxes, in which he said his subjects are exampt and the foreigners should pay.


zeaolts influence has yet to be denied and makes perfect sense being he followed JtB who was very very anti-establishement.


the forst thing you need to realize is what life was like in Galilee for a jew in the first century in Galilee, after that the pieces all fall in place.



By the way my views are almost dead on with the majority of mainstream scholarships right now.

jesus died for his view of money and the corruption in the temple

gurugeorge

We know nothing of the sort, we don't even know if there was a "he".

Sure, there's a myth about some sort of miracle-working, part-human, part-divine saviour who was born in Galilee, but whether the life and doings of some real human being called Jesus, living around that time, is the correct explanation for the existence of that myth, is the prior question.

Then the subsequent question is, how much of the myth Jesus' biography conforms to the biography of this hypothetical human being (who is the explanation of the Jesus myth).

spin

You've persistently shown just what you've known: how to tell everyone you haven't got any understanding of the material whatsoever. You just belligerently negate anything that contradicts your beliefs and you are unable to string a coherent argument together. You usually start off by asserting the person you are trying to respond to is wrong then you fail to show why.

If you had an argument I might be in trouble, but as usual your the eisegete who talks fluent rubbish, so there's nothing to rebut.

Did you actually read the froth you posted? "Poverty stricken"!? You pulled that out of your... hat. "Peaceful zealot"! Great oxymoron.

It's text, bud. You ain't got no way to transform stuff written into reality. You just project your own personal folly onto the text and pretend that somehow transforms it into reality. You may as well say abracadabra.

Two pieces of advice for you from the fool in King Lear:

• Speak less than thou knowest.
• Learn more than thou trowest.

You've got the more & less crossed.

outhouse

Im sorry that you dont feel jesus has historicity, remember its only your personal opinion that he doesnt.


As far as the vast majority of scholars are concerned he does have historicity.


Your right that mythology is used surrounding the HJ, but its not 100% mythology, and no scholar would ever state such.






what would be great is if you could refute a single sentance I wrote and show where I made a mistake.


you did point out we dont know he was from Galilee, but that wasnt refuting, it was throwing the baby and bath water out.


Im open ears if you really have something besides nuh uh

outhouse

your showing a complerte lack of skills debating biblical criticism by attacking the messenger

and not being able to attack the message.



nuh uh, doesnt cut it:huh:

outhouse

do you have a clue about life in and around Galilee, do you know what a crap hole Nazareth was??

do you understand the mortality rate for children under 5 in nazareth 1rst century ?



do you understand a tekton in first century Galilee lived a life below a peasant and was a renter or lived with a renter?


do you understand the window less field rock house with a single oil lamp and dirt floor jesus would have lived amnd grew up in? while in Sepphoris 3 miles away the romans were living in oppulance.


Do you understand jesus probably would have got up at 3 am to walk to Sepphoris to do rock work if he was even employed on any given day, his work would have been 6 days a week "if" he was fully employed and he would have got home after dark. It was as close to slavery as it gets.