reprise

There is a complete lack of evidence that God exists, let alone that any of the various scriptures throughout the world are His Word.

What specific events related in the Bible do you believe have been confirmed to have occured by both ancient scholars and modern day scientists hope's daughter?

It is a logical fallacy to base your belief in God (or in Jesus and his divinity) on the Bible if you are then going to claim that the Bible must be true because it's God's word. Independent corroboration of the events related in the Bible might at least establish that some of its contents are historically accurate, although it would not establish this veracity of other, unverifiable claims made in the bible.

hope's daughter

I find it certain because God has made Himself known to me but like alot of people we are not always aware of Him and yes I am human and there are times that God does not seem to me to be as real as other times. There are times He is distant and almost aloof and nonexistent. What do I mean? I know my two sons and I love them but that does not mean I am aware of them 24 hours a day. I take them for granted. I get caught up in chores and my mind becomes occupied on other things. When they seem the most real is when I am in their presence and we are inter-reacting. This does not mean I love them less or that I now will never think of them again or even that I disbelieve in them. I don't know if I am discribing clearly for you how God is tangible the way my sons are in person and how when my sons are out of my presence this is like when God becomes hidden. When God becomes hidden yes doubt can fill that void. A better way to handle this is through constant prayer.

As far as pairing historical events with celebrations. I think this is a feesible explanation as to why we have traditions. Of what I know they tend to celebrate it with the same food that is recorded in Exodus.

Weltall,

Don't apologize to me. I think you have been a gentleman thus far or at least as gentlemenly as you can be.

Soul Invictus

Don't take this the wrong way, but what in the world are you talking about? Where did this come from? I was hoping that you would eventually offer a rebut to Celsus and Peter Kirby about the info they presented..

reprise

hope's daughter, you might like to check out the Biblical authority and thinking for ourselves thread.

Soul Invictus

hope,

i would want this thread to be conducive, however i just want to inform you that you're having no problem addressing people's personality, however to date, there has been no substantive address of evidence or facts. I would want to save you from attaining the status that you're a troll ( someone who's evasive or noncommunicative in the discussion of a topic..especially if stumped)

hope's daughter

I let others know that I was a smoker on another board a long time ago and all they did was to make me feel like I was an outcaste. Are you aware of how smokers are treated now? Well i only let them know this out of the goodness of my heart so that THEY would not feel so bad about THEIR sins. So I kind of was doing the same thing.

I disagree with you about addressing facts. Heck this thread is keeping of a promise no matter where it leads. I do want to watch this video and it is getting late and I want to check out reprise's link Thank you reprise. Okay I am no authority in archealogy so is it fair that I rebut Celus? I can try but I may not do a good job. I will go ahead aand save his post.

reprise

You are claiming that the Bible - apart from being God's word, in your opinion - documents historical events. What people are asking you is on what basis you make that claim. Specifically, for which events documented in the Bible is there corroborative evidence. If such evidence does not exist, then on what basis do you accept that the Bible is a reliable historical record (whether or not it's God's word is utterly irrelevant to the question of the Bible's - or, for that matter, the Qu'ran's - historical accuracy)?

Answerer

Seriously, I don't think this discussion is heading anywhere.:boohoo: :boohoo:

Weltall

If you find this as sufficient proof that God exists, then isn't our lack of such subjective experiences proof that the opposite is true? We haven't seen any gods making themselves known to us.

We've already given you alternative explanations for why celebrations mentioned in scriptures are celebrated today. Do you have another argument for historical proof?

hope's daughter

Yes there have been many things said here that I have not questioned. So give me a chance would ya. I am willing to put my faith on the line here to give an answer. I am will to look at some thing I have here at home. Please allow some common courtesy. I put this thread here for Jen because I promised. I also have to get back to Sakriledge. Sakriledge I have not forgotten.

I will be back later