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Spanky · 03-08-2007, 07:57 PM

I think it is a metaphor. And a descent one at that, if you are comforted by such things. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Rick Sumner · 03-08-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayrok

Here's another explanation:

The Son walks across the water

Son = Sun

That works a lot better in English than it does in Greek.

Regards,
Rick Sumner

Chris Weimer · 03-08-2007, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Sumner

That works a lot better in English than it does in Greek.

Regards,
Rick Sumner

No, no, Rick, it works fine in English. ὑιὸς and ἥλιος. They both end in ios. Obviously it must be a pun! :Cheeky:

Johann_Kaspar · 03-11-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rjf

My explanation is simple: the Bible is a work of fiction, Jebus may never even have existed, and if he did, we have no good reason to believe that he said or did any of the things credited to him.

Because you think that at that time the Hebrews had time and leisure to write "work of fiction".

Same mentality as religious people: when they don't understand something, when they have no explanations, they are inventing "fictions".

By the way is your US Constitution a "work of fiction"?

Johann_Kaspar · 03-11-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Path of Needles

All I have to do is come up with something better than "faith can do all"? You've got to shitting me.

-ice -mass hallucinations -biblical inaccuracy -insidious biblical lies -optical illusion -doublethink -common "knowledge" spread by rumor -extreme over exaggeration -naive people believing obvious lies and representing them as fact to more naive people -ubiquitous ignorance -people with too much sand in their eyes to know what's what

Is that enough for you?

I will keep only this:

-ubiquitous ignorance -people with too much sand in their eyes to know what's what

Yes, too much ignorance of the Hebrew culture.

Johann_Kaspar · 03-11-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

Sure, just as soon as someone gives me a good reason to believe that it really happened. Until then, there is nothing to explain.

Only xians think it "really happened". And of course if there is nothing to explain... there is nothing to search, no effort to do to try to understand.

Johann_Kaspar · 03-11-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Weiss

I have no objection to examining the development of religious or other texts in an historic context more out of curiosity than anything else. ...

If only you would do that seriously... like an historian... but if it is out of curiosity...

Johann_Kaspar · 03-11-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

Other than my pointing to that difference between the OT examples of passing through the waters,as opposed to the NT example of walking upon the waters, it may be noticed that my list above provided no NT verses, nor my personal interpretations of such, this to allow others to bring forth such verses and to stimulate a little thought and study of the subject, as Solo has above.
Come on folks, you do not need to be "Christian", "Jewish" or religious, to lend your obsevations to Johann's query.

You can make no progress if you will substitute "waters" for "sea".

Johann_Kaspar · 03-11-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Or it could be symbolic midrash indicating Jesus has power over the sea, just as Moses and Joshua had (an allusion to Yaweh's superiority over Ba'al).

Its far from a miracle, of course, some Mormon guy did it too

You know what is a midrash, don't you? Quite good for a start!

Johann_Kaspar · 03-11-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Godless Dave

My explanation is it never happened.

Great! And then... what does it mean?

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