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Old 09-23-2004, 03:17 AM   #1
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Racier than a daytime talk show,the bible packs insest,castration,beheading,cross dressing,polygamy,sex slaves,seduction,baby murder and thats just the first couple of hundred pages.

Smack in deuteronomy (25:11-25.)

We learn that the wife who helps her husband in a fight by grabing his enemy's testicles shall have her right hand cut off.

In the book of Samuel (11:16-20.)

We find the son of king David insulting dear old dad by having sex with 10 of dads concubines on a roof top for all of Isrial to see.

The bible a book of sin and perversion promoted to be the word of God by a self anointed people who view themselves as God's chosen people.
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It certainly can get a bit rude. Don't forget:

Ezekiel 23
19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21 So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.

You rarely find children's books referring to the amount of semen men issue. PG-13 perhaps?
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It certainly can get a bit rude. Don't forget:

Ezekiel 23
19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21 So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.

You rarely find children's books referring to the amount of semen men issue. PG-13 perhaps?
(I think that you are agreeing with me that the old testament of the bible is a sick book for sick mindles followers.)
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(I think that you are agreeing with me that the old testament of the bible is a sick book for sick mindles followers.)
This seems to me to be an opinion based on lack of perception or understanding of the times and context of the writing.

Naturally, a book written over two thousand years ago will have different prespectives and values from what we have today. That's a no-boner, but to make senseless stupid value-judgments projecting today's mores onto an ancient book is simply a waste of time, if one is interested in the merits of the book. You should read "literature" written by that old tart J.Edgar Hoover for a near contemporary selection of writing which is "a sick book for sick mindles followers". These sick mindless followers are an anachronism, whereas those who believed in the Hebrew bible literature were a reflection of their times. Those times are not ours and the literature in question is not suitable for our times, but the values judgments of the type "a sick book for sick mindles followers" are not suitable for the Hebrew bible.


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This seems to me to be an opinion based on lack of perception or understanding of the times and context of the writing.

Naturally, a book written over two thousand years ago will have different prespectives and values from what we have today.
This smacks of postmodernism to me. Certainly we can agree that there are portions of the HB which are atrocious. Still I think perhaps the OP puts too fine a point on it and we should remember to view it as literature reflecting the time in which it was written.
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the old testament of the bible is a sick book for sick mindles followers.
I don’t think a book which merely contains horrible stories (ancient or modern) makes it necessarily one for “sick mindles followers�. When studying criminal law we were prescribed Brown, Farrier, Neal and Weisbrot’s “Criminal Laws: Materials and Commentary on Criminal Law and Process in New South Wales�, Third Edition, Federation Press, 2001.

Needless to say this modern book related some stories which churn the stomachs of most average people. Check out the parts on sexual assault (particularly with minors, but rape cases disturb me greatly too) or murder for such narratives. I don’t think all NSW lawyers are necessarily ‘sick’ or ‘mindles’.

It may well be that parts of the bible (or “Criminal Laws�) are not suitable for children to read, I don’t have a problem with that.
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This smacks of postmodernism to me. Certainly we can agree that there are portions of the HB which are atrocious.
When it was normal for empires to relocate entire populations or exterminate entire cities, when people lost hands, feet, eyes for the merest whim of some higher class being, what does "atrocious" applied to texts written somewhere around the same time mean? Do you find the sports at the colosseum atrocious? because the people of the era found them entertaining. Our ideas of atrocious I think fit ideas and events in our times. It was only a matter of the safety of the Ottoman empire that the sultan exterminated all of his generation's male offspring at his succession to the throne. Atrocious?

I think atrocious is a president lying to his own population in order to start a war which had no ethical justification, though which promised to be lucrative, and which has cost the invading country over 1000 losses and ten times that of the victim state. I guess lots will disagree. Perhaps the word "atrocious" has lost meaning.

It's hard enough using it in our time, let alone attempting to use it indiscriminantly for reputed events of over 2000 years ago.


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When it was normal for empires to relocate entire populations or exterminate entire cities, when people lost hands, feet, eyes for the merest whim of some higher class being, what does "atrocious" applied to texts written somewhere around the same time mean? Do you find the sports at the colosseum atrocious? because the people of the era found them entertaining. Our ideas of atrocious I think fit ideas and events in our times. It was only a matter of the safety of the Ottoman empire that the sultan exterminated all of his generation's male offspring at his succession to the throne. Atrocious?

I think atrocious is a president lying to his own population in order to start a war which had no ethical justification, though which promised to be lucrative, and which has cost the invading country over 1000 losses and ten times that of the victim state. I guess lots will disagree. Perhaps the word "atrocious" has lost meaning.

It's hard enough using it in our time, let alone attempting to use it indiscriminantly for reputed events of over 2000 years ago.


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(There are many books whose content leave much to be desired, however the bible is the only book that i know of that claims to be the word of God.)
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(There are many books whose content leave much to be desired, however the bible is the only book that i know of that claims to be the word of God.)
Refresh my memory. Where in the OT does it say that particular texts are the word of God, and where does it name and list those texts?
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Refresh my memory. Where in the OT does it say that particular texts are the word of God, and where does it name and list those texts?
(The old testement as well as the new testament of the bible have been promoted as the word of god by christians all of my life,where have you been.)
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