RBH

One more time: Let's keep this E/C, not BC&H. The BC&H material has been (mostly) split to that forum by judanne, and she will be back with us just as soon as her eyes clear up.

RBH
E/C Moderator

ISVfan

Look this got scientific and I didn't want it to. It was supposed to originally be about the scientific proofs of the Bible instead it got into evolution something I'm not very learned in. So being new here from now on I wll more clearly define my post in the future.

Porky Pine

Huh? You wanted to make a post about the scientific proofs of the Bible but you didn't want it to get scientific?

BTW, if you didn't want the post to be about evolution, you probably shouldn't have mentioned it in the OP.

Mountain Man

If you wanted proofs of any kind, you have to go scientific.There are no "scientific proofs" in, or of, the bible. That has been clearly shown here by several people.Also get ready to learn instead of having people blindly follow what some preacher told them.

Oolon Colluphid

But you nevertheless thought you'd post things like, from the OP:
(My emphases)

Uh-huh.
Come again? Let me run that by myself again, to see if I can make sense of it:
Um...

Is it me? :huh:
No shit?! Surely not?!

And why might that have been then?
Then why even mention it? Why, for fuck's sake, say unmitigated bollocks like
Excuse my outrage, but if it is then how the fuck would you know?

If I strolled into your normal haunt and started telling you that Jesus was a medieval Arab who preached hatred, how should I expect you to react?
No. You will read through the Start Here sticky at the top of the forum before ever mentioning evolution here again, or expect us to -- ever so politely, of course -- rip you a new arsehole.

Best wishes, Oolon

TomboyMom

Honestly, ISV, I don't think your problem is that your post got derailed--all the answers you got were directly responsive. I think your problem is that you rashly popped off about something you know nothing about, and were handed your hat and shown the door.

Now, you admit that you "are not very learned" in evolution. [note: this is the evolution/creation forum here.] Yet you disbelieve it. People who are very learned in it do believe it. Perhaps you should entertain the possibility that YOU ARE WRONG.

If you want to start a thread about scientific verification of biblical assertions, I suggest either the science forum or B C & H. Warning, though, I think you will encounter a similar experience to what you found here: people who know what they're talking about stuffing your baseless assertions down your throat.

DougP

Every system left to itself...correct. Now, just for instance lets say there is a massive firey ball hurlings tons and tons of energy at the earth...

-Doug

buckshot23

Just add energy and...wolah! My cars paint job isn't doing so well after years of energy hurled at it over the years.:huh:

Mageth

Paint doesn't have little engines in it that take in energy and use it to perform work.

Cells, for example, do.

The surface of the earth is "painted" with life.

RBH

Sorry, buckshot23. That's not a simple thermodynamic system, but a complex chemical system, and its behavior can't be characterized in a one-liner. Take another example: The Great Red Spot on Jupiter has been going strong for centuries. The lesson is that one can't gloss a complex system with a kindergarten-level interpretation of SLoT. A good place to start learning about the topic is here. Don't fall into the trap naive creationists almost always get themselves mired in when they venture into thermodynamics.

RBH