semiopen

I was thinking that Joseph and Ahmadinejad could be chief negotiators for the Palestinian issue.

Joseph could mathematically prove that all the Christians and Jews will die out soon; all that is necessary is to wait for a few years. Win-Win.

BTW and more seriously, on the land stealing point. The biblical commentators go out of their way to try to prove Israel's right to the land. This is interesting and remarkable in itself.

The movements of groups of people and the inevitable destuction etc, has happened throughout world history. We don't see much hand wringing today over the Europeans "stealing" the American Indians land, and of course, many other modern examples.

Whatever has happened in Israel recently, does not compare unfavorably with these other situations, not to excuse it but just to have some perspective. Personally, from a good/evil perspective on this, I don't see a redressable wrong done to the Palestinians... Shit happens.

What this has to do about homosexuality in the Bible is another question.

spamandham

...and if pigs start flying, we had better all get extra heavy duty umbrellas.

You won't give up even the most stupid arguments you invent.

storytime

Well, MY history research says that your history research is invented BS. So there! :Cheeky:

Seriously, how can you possibly believe that Israelites were not the bad guys who Moses commanded to kill and slaughter people in order to take their land? How else would the Israelites have taken the land? Maybe they baked cupcakes and presented them to the villagers and said, "may I come in and stay awhile"? :devil1:

storytime

NO! Israeli laws do not apply to all humanity. See, that's what's wrong with religion, trying to force religious laws onto people who don't worship your god(s) or play with your rituals, and all that other stuff, like killing people, that religion does when its allowed to force itself onto people who want nothing to do with it's monster god(s) or its hatefilled tradition.

IamJoseph

Killing people? Force itself? Since when is the advocation in Genesis 1/1 - to go forth and multiply, and that 'ALL' humanity is blessed - starting with the first human [before any religions emerged] allign with your conclusion?!

FYI, it represents the precise reverse. Its not like the Hebrew bible is saying all tho don't follow a certain name get damned to hell or becomes an infidel!And yes - all the Hebrew laws are active and accepted by humanity - exclusively. Check your own country's institutions - if it does not follow those laws, it is regarded as a nation outside of the law. :wave:

IamJoseph

Seriously, because the Israelites came from, and were originally incepted in the land they were returning to. If the Hebrew canaanites were refused entry, to live among the other non-hebrew canaanites - who responded to a peace offer with unconditional genocide - and lost - why blame the Israelites?

You gave only half sentences. Another omission is that of the eight Canaanite groups which declared war - two of those groups sided with the Israelites and fought alongside them - they knew the truth, and it was not with the six.

Jews have never occuplied or robbed anyone else's land in all their 4000 year history - despite being robbed and displaced throughout the nations. Jews never robbed Spain, Poland, India, Germany, France, Australia, North Africa or any other place they lived. You can better display your history knowledge by telling us how Israel lost Judea [later called Palestine] 2000 years ago - and who were called Palestinians till 1960 - and which other people hated this name totally till then!? :wave:

That's how.

IamJoseph

Minor variation: Ahmaddajab, unlike America and Israel, have death sentences with no trial for gays. :wave:
Minor variation: Jews *RETURNED* to their own homeland they were displaced from - unlike the neo Americans. :wave:

IamJoseph

Your doing that only to yourself: of course there are heaps of gay in Islamic society - that they are swiftly murdered if caught does not alter the fact. Check out the Muslims when no one is looking - try Denmark and India - or the brothels in the west and Asia! :wave:

IamJoseph

Nor women's rights, multi-party elections, and no shortage of racism and disrespect for other religions or historical truth. In Iran, the Holocast was a lie, there was never a Jerusalem Temple - [there goes the Gospels and all Roman archives - which says one JC visited that mythical temple, destroyed by Rome - with the pre-islamic arabs in the front rows as paid mercenaries to destroy that mythical temple!] - and 9/11 is a Zionist Plot.

Better, I'd say there are no Freedom Fighters in that country - these must frst start at home. :wave:

IamJoseph

Accept in choreographed lab tests. In manifest reality - YES - this is vindicated. :wave: