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Old 08-15-2007, 06:15 AM   #21
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Exactly - it means saviour doesn't it? Is it a huge tautology? Of course Jesus is the saviour of the world.
It means Yahweh saves, and it was a very common name, the equivalent of Joshua. The reference was probably to Joshua's role in leading the nation of Israel to the promised land.
That is even worse!

At the name of the Lord who saves? Is it only a messianic sect of Judaism?

And why was it acceptable to say the lord saves when it is not acceptable to use the holy name?

(And Joshua was probably invented in Babylon!)
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That sounds like a classic magical formulation - abracadbra!

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What is special is the word 'name', which to the ancients meant not merely appellation, but thesis; a philosophical, political or religious position as represented by the person whose name was used.
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That sounds like a classic magical formulation - abracadbra!

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What is special is the word 'name', which to the ancients meant not merely appellation, but thesis; a philosophical, political or religious position as represented by the person whose name was used.
A name/symbol in analogical connection with the named/object and capable of the transference of power or energy between the two. A device used to affect the outcome of events in agreement with the will of the magician. Thank you Clouseau for saying it even better than I could.

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What is special is the word 'name', which to the ancients meant not merely appellation, but thesis; a philosophical, political or religious position as represented by the person whose name was used.
A name/symbol in analogical connection with the named/object and capable of the transference of power or energy between the two. A device used to affect the outcome of events in agreement with the will of the magician. Thank you Clouseau for saying it even better than I could.

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every knee shall bow...

That sounds like a classic magical formulation - abracadbra!

What might be special about the word Jesus?

I think it was a totally Jewish concept. Jewish sects fighting each other over authority - principalities and powers in the "high places" of governance.

What is supposedly special about the name "Jesus", is "anointed". Were the Pharisees anointed? :huh:
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That sounds like a classic magical formulation - abracadbra!

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You are right to ask about the magical nature of religion. There is among the laws of the practice of the magical arts one called The Law of Words (symbols) of Power. This law says that words are symbols that are able to change the inner and outer realities of those who use them.

The view is that words, as symbols, have accumulated power through use over the millennia. Some say there is an intrinsic connection between symbols and the forces and concepts they represent. Intrinsic because this process is beyond human design and is a function of the symbol itself.

Among these symbols are names. In magical systems a name is the thing named. It is to say that there is an analogical connection between the name and the thing named. This connection is created by the shared structure of the name/symbol and the named/object. Further, to know the true name of a place, person, or thing is to have complete control of over it.

How does this relate to the name of Jesus? This is not too difficult to work out. It is simply that to call upon the name of Jesus is raise ones’ self to the heavens. It is to accrue the power the symbolic name has collected over thousands of years.

Calling upon the name of a deity is to call upon the vast storehouse of energy that resides, not only in the name Jesus, but also the energy existing in the names of all deities. The name of Jesus is the path to the power of the eternal, infinite, Godhead for believers. To call upon the name of Jesus is to have control over him. To have control is to be able to bring desire to fulfillment. It is to be a co-creator with God.

I don’t expect any of you will accept the foundations of the magical arts as appropriate to the modern life. That is not my point. My perspective is that all religious thought is magical thinking. Few people, and assuredly few Christians, recognize the true nature of their beliefs. It does us a service in our debates with religionists to know the nature of their beliefs even when they don’t. Most especially when they don’t.

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Fascinating. Where can I read more about this?
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Which didn't happen, either.
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Fascinating. Where can I read more about this?
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Except that you will never see me defend, praise or pimp Jesus to others. I do recognize Jesus but only as a stepping stone to Mary.
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A name/symbol in analogical connection with the named/object and capable of the transference of power or energy between the two. A device used to affect the outcome of events in agreement with the will of the magician. Thank you Clouseau for saying it even better than I could.

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It was not in jest. :devil3:

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